Wine and Movies: BABY BOOM (1987) - Happy Mother's Day!

Today, for Mom's Day, we tackle the 1987 feature film directed and co-written by Charles Shyer (Father of the Bride) and produced and co-wrritten by Nancy Meyers (Father of the Bride, Private Benjamin).

The cast is STACKED - Dianne Keaton, Harold Ramis, James Spader, Sam Shephard, Victoria Jackson, Sam Wanamaker. It features a very 80's baby and is ostensibly a feminist movie but has become horribly dated since its release. Now coming across as moe of a Hallmark movie than a true blue equality manifesto, BABY BOOM is an oldie but not quite a goodie.

Nevertheless, it's worth a revisit to see how far we've come. A few moments are still authentically funny, and we of course paired it with two wines: one that matches the film's deficits, and one that contrasts it and gives you what you're missing!

DALLAS' WINE: Charles Shaw (2 Buck Chuck! Or I Guess 4 Buck Chuck Now?) Cabernet Sauvignon

DAVE'S WINE: 2022 Škegro Family Winery Blatina “Krs Crni”, Bosnia & Herzegovina (yes, a wine from Bosnia! Made from the indigenous "Blatina" grape!)

Chapters

• 0:54 Apologies to All the Mothers
• 1:22 Happy Mother's Day! Call Your Mother!
• 3:40 Baby Boom: An Oldie But Not a Goodie
• 10:23 House Cleaning
• 15:09 A Reciting of the Reviews for Baby Boom
• 19:14 Did Baby Boom Create the Lifetime / Hallmark Movie?
• 24:40 Women in the Workplace - the "Have it All" Message
• 31:10 The Best Reddit Review of This Movie
• 33:30 Diane Keaton's Performance
• 39:36 Victoria Jackson - Shout Out (and Take Back!)
• 42:46 The Baby!
• 43:38 Does it Hold Up? (Nope!)
• 55:33 What is Our Respective Best Mother's Day Memories?
• 1:01:18 Dallas' Wine Pairing
• 1:08:09 Dave's Wine Pairing

Transcript

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Are you not entertained? Yes, Real good time! He's Dave, and I'm Dallas, and this is Ventertainment. We have opinions on just about everything. Sometimes those opinions are spot on. Sometimes they go down easier with a glass of wine. This is entertainment. The wine and entertainment pairing podcast. I apologize in advance for the sound quality of this episode. had my mic compressed the whole time we were recording. I now know to look for this. I didn't know it was a thing that I could do while recording. So I apologize in advance. It's not terrible, but it ain't great. But enjoy this Mother's Day episode and apologies mothers everywhere that today's episode slightly sucks. Here we go. Happy Mother's Day y'all! Make sure to call your mother this week or this weekend if you are lucky enough to still have her around and in your life. At least send her a goddamn text, what's wrong with you? It's Mother's Day week! And you know, send her some nice wine if she can drink wine. Rose all day, usually a safe bet. Nice Italian or French white. Or if your mom is the adventurous type, maybe an orange wine? Have you ever had an orange wine? Now an orange wine is not made from oranges, but let me tell you folks, I was at Trader Joe's this week and I got this uh Tarangino. It is a wine made from Valencia oranges from Spain. uh So it is a true blue orange wine, right? So look, if your mom isn't that big of a fan of wine wine, uh Maybe go to Trader Joe's if you're somewhere that has Trader Joe's. Find this Tarangino wine with Valencia oranges. It is apparently a white wine base with Valencia orange juice added to it. All made from the Valencia region of Spain and imported by Trader Joe's. So I haven't tried it yet, but I'm very curious. I love the fact that there is now actually an orange wine made from oranges out there. I have proper orange wine. And for those of you who don't know, What we call orange wine is not made from oranges. is a wine, you know, white wine is just the juice of the grapes. No skin contact, no soaking on the skins of the grapes whatsoever. Red wine is soaking it on the red skins of red skin grapes for weeks to months. Rosé is of course just a couple hours on the skin, sometimes even less than an hour on the skins. I've had rosés that are 35 minutes on the skin. So very, very brief. And then orange wine is soaking it on white grape skins. for the same amount of time as you'd make a red. So weeks, two months. And that is what we call an orange wine or amber wine. Maybe if this Tarangino becomes really, really popular, all the wine nerds will be really happy. So it'll force us to call it amber wine instead. And that's what they really want deep, deep down. And then we have to give orange wine back to the oranges, right? And that will actually be a proper non-grapefruit wine. So maybe give your mom an orange wine, but in any event to celebrate mom's day. We are here on Ventertainment to talk about an oldie, and not even a goodie, the movie Baby Boom from 1987 starring Diane Keaton, Carol Ramis, Sam Wanamaker, James Spader, Sam Shepard, and Victoria Jackson, directed and co-written by Charles Shire and co-written and produced by the great Nancy Myers. Now, director Shire. He got a start writing films like Smokey and the Bandit, and then he co-wrote Private Benjamin with Nancy Meyers. That is the movie starring Goldie Hawn. uh Benjamin is similar to Baby Boom in that it's about a woman trying to make it in this very male environment. In this case, it would be the army. That movie, of course, starred Goldie Hawn. This was one of the first modern Hollywood films to star a woman without an equal male co-lead in the film, something that was considered absolute box office poison at the time. In fact, every major studio passed on this script multiple times. It was basically Goldie's agent who strong armed the film into existence. And even then, one studio, when they realized the film was going to be made, one studio called up Goldie to tell her, quote, If you make this movie, it's a career ender, unquote. And the film was a massive success, raking in over one hundred million dollars at the box office. and this was $100 million in 1980. That is not adjusted for inflation. So just to know, I feel like every time an executive is like, this will end you, like this is the worst decision you have ever made. That is almost proof in the pudding. You are doing something so daring, it's going to break through. going to break through it is going to be successful. It's going to change the genre change something. It just is and this film did just as matter of fact, Dave, so funny you mentioned that before we picked up baby boom to do for this episode. Private Benjamin was the next on my list of films to add to our rotation because it's kind of fantastic for the reasons we just stated and also it's kind of a fun film. So definitely check that out. keep going. and oh isn't working. You know, so we're just going to like, it's not worth spending $200 million on which is what it would cost to make the story it wants to tell. So we're just gonna sit on this one for a while. So but when they are like so up in arms that they want to call you just to tell you it's a mistake. the middle. Yes. just want to reach out here and tell you if you do this, it will end your career and existence as we know it. Yeah, if you that call, make sure you do the thing they're calling you about because it will likely be successful. Yeah, especially when it's not even their film. It's not their money. Like, what do they care? And they're calling you up to tell you it's a mistake. And it's like, hmm, ding, ding, ding. Like, that is green light territory right there, So Shire and Myers followed this up by co-writing uh and Shire making his directorial debut with a movie called Irreconcilable Differences starring Ryan O'Neill, Shelley Long, and a child, Drew Barrymore. The performances and writing were praised in this one, though not so much Shire's direction, which was considered quote unquote flat. We're going to return to that criticism when we get to Baby Boom here. But Shire's and Myers uh wrote additional screenplays throughout the 80s. There was Protocol with Goldie Hawn again starring and Myers wrote Whoopi Goldberg's Jumpin' Jack Flash under a pseudonym. And then in 1987, Shire directed his second feature co-written with Myers, which Myers once again produced just like with Private Benjamin, and that was 1987's Baby Boom. This would be the first of four features Myers would do with Diane Keaton. The others, including Father of the Bride 1 and 2, both once again directed by Shire, and 2003's Something's Gotta Give with Jack Nicholson and Diane, and this time directed by Myers herself, Baby Boom earned a respectable $26 million on its $15 million budget back in the day, which is not terrible. That would be domestic. these films were not really released globally in the box office back then. Now, it should be noted that uh Shire and Myers were in a relationship starting in 1976. They got married in 1980, uh then divorced in 1999. And Myers penned an op-ed in the New York Times about their relationship titled, Life isn't like the movies even if you write the movies. Yes, if you can get ahold of it, it's behind a paywall. Of course, it's the New York Times. So you have to be subscribed to the New York Times. I tried. I saw that and I was like, I've never read that article. And I was like, I don't currently pay for the New York Times. well. And the only reason let me say I would love to jump in and out of the New York Times, but they are one of those pain in the ass organizations to try and stem the cancellations of subscriptions. You have to call them to cancel. cannot just go into your account and cancel it anytime you have to. call them and then they have to then they will try to convince you like up and down to not cancel. It's such a pain in the ass that when I finally, I actually canceled finally once by just like my credit card got, you know, the number changed and like it was updated. And so the old one wasn't charging anymore. And I just let it ride until they automatically canceled me. And I was like, fine. I'm like, I hate having to call in to cancel something. Don't make people do that folks. Not if you're like a newspaper subscription, like come on. and let people come and go. It's 2025. No one's willing to do that. So New York Times, if you ever stop doing that, I will come back now and again. 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Lawrence, thank you. Was that it? was like, Jennifer Garner, I couldn't get it out of my head. And I'm like, that is the wrong Jennifer. There are tons of fucking jackers. uh Yep, yep. It's a white person name. There's lots of it. Running around everywhere. So lots of Jennifers. So and that is I believe, Javier Bardem and Jennifer Lawrence are the two leads and Ed Harris. who's the lady with Ed Harris? I'm gonna forget her, but I've never seen this film. I'm actually watching it tonight. before, and then that post should drop on Friday. So look for that sister Mother's Day. bonus pairings on our sub stack. That'll be free to all as will this. This episode will be free on podcast platforms for all, but if you want to listen to it directly on the sub stack, that is also a paid member benefit to listen to it directly from sub stack, but it will be free to all on podcast. If you're not going to support us on sub stack, it's like, well, give us a listen on a platform and give us that. Eps It's like do something for us motherfuckers. We're not we do all this work for you For you not for us not our egos not because we love to hear ourselves talk. We do it for you I love it. love it. All right. So the collaboration between Nancy Myers and Charles Shire is a legendary one and includes films like we said, Private Benjamin, Irreconcilable Differences, Father of the Bride, Father of the Bride 2, and The Parent Trap. But today we are here to chew on 1987's Bae-Bae. Boom. Can I also just say there is a father of the bride part three-ish short film that Nancy Meyer's made in 2020 right during the pandemic. I didn't realize she did that. I didn't see that in my... Yeah, so she directed and wrote that because this would be post their divorce right between the two of them and it's just a short film Yes, it is a coda to the whole thing It is a proper legacy sequel to the first two fathers of the bride so everyone can look that up as well, but keep going I heard talk that there is uh interest in rebooting that whole franchise because it does have legs. It's great. It's just fucking great. Anyway, let's start with a quick and hilarious to me at least review of our from the December 31st 1986 issue of Variety Magazine, a review of Baby Boo. Quote, a transparent and one dimensional parable about power devouring female careerist. and the unwanted bundle of joy that turns her obsessive fast-tracked life in Gotham upside down. Constructed almost entirely upon facile and familiar media cliches about parenting and the super yuppie set, Baby Boom has the superficiality of a project inspired by a lame New York magazine cover story and sketched out on a cocktail napkin at Spago's. Nobody does reviews the way they did reviews in the mid-80s. It's just, it's just. Everyone was trying to one-up each other, you know, at that time. think reviewers were really going out of their way to be like, I need to come up something clever and cutting. Yeah, they were having conversations with other reviewers. have a friend of mine, Steve, who's really, I keep trying to get him to get into the review space because he is kind of a holdover from that era. you know, those reviewers, they were sort of journalist adjacent, many of them, and they were having conversations with other reviewers via, you know, these, these, their magazine, their articles. So It's always fun to go back and read those kind of relationships. know, Cisco being the exactly being the most famous uh of those. And I will say if you ever anyone is ever into some analog entertainment that does sort of deep dives and deep dives with mid level dives into old film, go back and look at the old Cisco and Ebert shows from the early days, the mid days. Fantastic. will teach you everything you need to know about criticism in terms of film and media. It's kind of fantastic. Also, the outtakes between those two, because they had a pretty contentious relationship, are unparalleled and unrivaled. They are digging in each other's fucking side at every turn. ah while most of the reviews from the film, sorry, Dave, you did mention you had something from uh Reddit. I do. You finish up yours. Finish up yours first though. Yeah. so while most of the views from before the film weren't glowing, they did hold space for the treatment of a distinctly 80s archetype, the Tiger Lady trope. Now the Tiger Lady is the yuppie archetype of a woman who waltzes into every room and stares up at the glass ceiling and smashes or scratches her way through it with dogged determination and her eyes squarely fixed on making it, usually in a dress and heels. The archetype often has little time for romance, or if they do, then it's compartmentalized like everything in their lives. The rigid parameters they maintain allow for the attainment of gargantuan goals, and when things get muddled or muddy by empathy, contrition, or they get thrown off their game, they often descend into a bumbling mess, but not for too long. The Tiger Lady trope would come to be exemplified in the Hallmark movies and Lifetime movie space. with some debating whether or not Myers and Shires single-handedly created the archetype and ultimately laid the groundwork for the lifetime in Hallmark movie space. And if anyone knows anything about the lifetime in Hallmark movie space, they sort of have a machine and there are archetypes and they're broad strokes. And this is essentially, you know, sort of the base, ground, the ground sort of groundwork for those Right, now I will say the Lifetime channel started in 1984. it would have been, Meyers and Shires couldn't have single-handedly created it because that was their very first movie that they truly dropped, Was That Irreconcilable Differences. And it wasn't quite that one, I don't believe, I haven't seen it, but to my understanding of what it's about, it isn't quite a Lifetime movie yet. Even though Baby Boom 100, The Lifetime and Hallmark archetypes, as we know them, did come about after this film, though. Like the networks themselves, the entities, yeah, they definitely predate the collaboration. Lifetime movies though to my understanding is they lifetime was that pretty much from the get-go So it was Hallmark that came in later and was trying to challenge lifetimes, you know Lifetime basically had a corner on that market It was what they did and then Hallmark was like, we want some of that that sauce and so they jumped in and overtook and Basically out did lifetime in the ultimate end but my understanding is lifetime was I'd have to go back I haven't I haven't died deep into this, but my understanding is lifetime was pretty much as we understand Hallmark today. Lifetime was that starting in 1984, but I'm not 100 percent about that. Just that's people. Yeah, yeah, the spaces was definitely carved out but I think in terms of the archetype of the Lifetime film as we know it now the sort of machinery of it becoming sort of a wash rinse and repeat uh definitely didn't reach its kind of Cohesion until after this because I early days it was definitely a bit more experimental bit broader uh my my aunt was a huge lifetime fan was a child so uh Unfortunately, I do have some of those films, which actually now to think about it, I may want to go back and watch some of those and see how that. See how, the pre-nates baby boom because like, you the ones from like 84 to 87 because those would be like, how much was this already in place from that gig? That's the thing that I don't know is like, I don't know how much lifetime was spearheading this slightly before. And then Myers and Shires were like, maybe picking up some of the hints from that. No, it's what they were interested in. Yeah. There's a to cross over there. uh Lifetime picked it up from them. Like, Lifetime was trying to do things like this, so we don't know for sure, but Myers and Shires were very early on in this trope. Yeah. They, you know, favorite sort of discussion online is whether or not these two can be considered the sort of crown couple of the rom-com genre. I think of another collaboration that is as one, I won't say long running, but you know, it's a good 20 years to collaborate. is a collaboration, but- oh, so you mean as a couple couple? not just like- as a duo works- The weather in the rom-com space. you know, the other would be Nora Efron and Rob Reiner, think. uh You've got... Harry Metcher which predates all those. That would be the beginning of it. Right. So I don't know. that's my favorite sort of corner of conversation online about. I thought oh Although that is an interesting question. I may have to put that on our list, future list of um things to kind of toy with in terms of like the history of the rom-com. I'm actually at something I'm consciously curious about right now, thinking about it, because it's not a space I really enjoy as a fan terribly. um it makes me kind of want to dig into it and find an angle to. Well it's interesting because one, Wikipedia has this listed as a romantic drama, which I'm like... Wait, they have one list that's a romantic drama. Baby boom. Okay, all right. didn't know that. I'm like, like, Like a dramedy and I'm like, no, I'm like, there is nothing remotely serious about the drama in this fucking thing. Like this is a rom-com through and This is not even Harry Met Sally is more of a romantic drama where it's like, it's like there is a lot of humor in it, but it is just a couple's relationship. And this thing, this movie is absurdist in many ways. Like it is the way she gets the baby. So this is a story about a businesswoman, right? And she's climbing the corporate ladder. The Tiger lady is on the prowl, she's right there, she's knocking at success's door. Right. And she's about she's just about being offered to become a partner. And it's not a law firm. It's not a law firm. It's a it's a advertising firm, right? It's a marketing. Ad firms in the 80s, always ad firms. Yes. And so she's going to become a partner. And of course, the movie opens, they're like, no, we can still count on you, right? No more. And you know, if you do this, you can't have a normal woman life. I mean, it's so on the nose. It's not even funny. They're like, so no babies, right? Right. oh film of the entire era. is so feminist in that approach. Look, it is the era of know, so also be noted is the era of predates, I suppose the we can have it all era because in the early 80s, you've got that glass ceiling thing where women were on mass competing against men, you know, they were sort of sacrificing the romantic ideals. And you know, at the into the 80s you start getting that well we can kind of have both we can do both and this kind of sits almost right in the middle of that so sorry go on right. This is one of the first movies I think that really raised that as a thing where it's like well Why not because so many things whether you're talking about, know Even going back to private Benjamin like women in the army and it's like well Because there are things that women have certain needs and they go through certain things that the army is in quick form like yeah That's infrastructure motherfucker. Like just because you've never set it like because you've never had to Doesn't mean you can't and so there's a lot of things culturally where we're like well such and such the organization or such and such branch of culture of society can't support women in any way shape or form because they have specific needs and it's like sure yeah but just because you've been catering to men's specific needs for centuries and so you're complete you're ready to go like yeah you're set up for that and then the argument has always been you know but you can set it up And the fact that you've never had to isn't a good excuse for why you can't and why we can't broaden those horizons and start letting everyone work in every type of job. Like as long as they can do the job. And the only thing getting in the way is the infrastructure around the job supporting, you know, whether it's just feminine hygiene and products and Then things like maternity leave, also family leave. Like every other country seems to have figured this out. Like, yeah, you have family leave, not maternity leave, right? Both parents need to be a part of that and supporting that. And America is one of still the holdout where we all, like most states and the federal government for sure, like do not recognize family leave. It's just maternity leave. And even then maternity leave here compared to other countries is absurdly short. It's like, you know, just enough time to sew yourself back up and like, you know, let the stitches heal and then get your ass back in an office chair and like, let's go, let's go, let's go, you know, pump your boobs in the bathroom, whatever you need to do, but you're not, you can't bring the baby in here and like, get back to work if you're going to be a worker. And so, but it is that thing where it's like, we just don't want to put the infrastructure in place or the whole system. We don't want to set it up so it works for. women and kids and families only for men in families and things of that nature where we don't even let the men go home and do anything about it. So we're like, well, you're a guy, you don't have to be home. So you're not going to be and just let the woman deal with that and let her career go in the toilet. And you just keep working. Like it's the worst of all. It's the worst of everything. And we still are resistant. I mean, a lot of the things that are being all the DEI that's going on, the undoing of DEI right now. And a lot of that is, of course, women in these certain places and what we cater to. And now that's starting to be questioned all over again, all anew. And here we are in 1987. This was kind of the beginning of that conversation in, especially in terms of the business world. This was kind of the first was definitely a broad stroke film, right? mean, it's such a broad stroke film. again, as is my way when I'm sort of evaluating these things, I do give credit to the effort, right to the sort of artistic effort. And it was a necessary film, I think it was like we said, it was one of those first films that kind of showed this Tiger Lady archetype that was, you know, breaching that kind of barrier and saying, maybe I can have it all in this rather circuitous way. mean, everything has to happen, you know, appropriately, and I can't necessarily have too much, you know, sort of, you know, resistance in order to secure the goal. But eventually, with some hijinks, I can kind of get what I ultimately want, which is credit for my idea. financial success, individuality, and a baby and a guy who is focused on me out in the country somewhere. know, it is such a broad stroke film, ah It is and I appreciate what it wants what it's trying to do. Like I it's hard is in the right place. Obviously, like this was trying to say good things. yeah. It doesn't do it well. Like I was trying to even think the Lifetime Hallmark movie channel tropes, the structure, the what's the word you used in the um not maybe the mechanics. I used a word earlier. was like, yeah, the mechanisms, the mechanisms, what those are. And it's like, It's like if you can take a Harlequin romance and strip it of everything sexy and everything interesting and like now you've got Hallmark in lifetime. I mean, it's a Harlequin romance, but nothing that actually is titillating or interesting or hot or but it's all just so middle America proper and just. And so this movie does suffer from that. No question. in terms of stripping it of everything that could truly be funny or uh sexy or interesting. I wanted to, so here's the thing, I was on a Reddit thread about this film. And this I think goes really well to the heart of what probably a lot of modern audiences are going to think of 1987's Baby Boom, because the critics at the time, this has a kind of decent Rotten Tomatoes score, because most of those reviews are from the time. cinema score. It's got like a B plus cinema score. But again, that's mostly I think from the time. And so here's I found this Reddit thread. And there's one user fur covered cat lady is her handle. I'm assuming it's a hurt because it's for a covered cat lady. And she wrote this about the film and I you're that's not you? you're that's not your pseudonym? Exactly, exactly. That's why I said I'm not 100 % because that could be me. That could be my handle. So like maybe it's a lady, maybe it's not, I don't know. But I think this will probably be most modern audiences take on this film as well. And she says, I adored the oh, and I quote, I adored this movie when I was young. A few years ago, I watched it again as an adult. Good Lord, it's bad. The MC is supposed to be a badass businesswoman at the start of the movie. But she has all the worst Diane Keaton nervous energy ticks. She's basically playing the same character she did in Crimes of the Heart, and that chick was an emotional train wreck. The movie does have a lot of these dumb TV movie romance moments where you think the writer is 14 and doesn't know how anything works. Original poster mentioned how she gets custody of the kid she's never met. There's also how she can't find a decent nanny in NYC, despite her wealth, so we get a montage of weirdo nannies. She buys a house, Money Pit, without seeing it or having an inspection. Real brilliant businesswoman there. And in the end, all she needed was a quote unquote man's man to fuck away her city lady energy. Plus, there's a big scene at the end where she gives an anxious babbling speech to the men. who discarded her business savvy earlier in the movie. It's supposed to be empowering, but I was embarrassed for her." Unquote. Okay, maybe that's Jillian in that. uh That's a mutual friend, Jillian. That could be her. But that is that I mean, honestly, that was very much my take. Like Diane Keaton seemed weirdly miscast in this role. I was like, I like Diane Keaton as an actress quite a bit, but either OK, what was being asked of her in terms of like what the director and what Nancy Myers wanted this character to be like, maybe they cast Diane Keaton because they're like that, that that. nervous energy that you normally bring to a role. We don't want you to do anything different. We want you to do that. But I do think that was a mistake because it man, I don't think it reads well in this particular context. You know, it's so funny because part of me thinks I... How to say this? It's almost as if yes, they cast her to be a version of what she's played characters she's played before in both Allen's films and you know, in a few others. uh I think that style, her quirky style, number one, it draws the audience in. uh Number two, it's not overtly comedic and funny, but there is something so sort of crooked tooth smile funny. about her that I think we may have relied on that for most of the, some of the comedic sort of flair of the film, which again, it does. are moments when she's, I'm like, she's fantastic. In general, she's a very good physical, subtle physical comedian. Like she's really good at certain moments. I just do feel overall miscast in this particular part. Like it reads, at least watching it now for the first time in 2025, or an apparently by Fur Covered Cat Lady even revisiting it. She's like, oh no, why did I like this? What's going on? um So, and I do feel like there is something there where it's like, this doesn't jive with what is trying to be done in this movie. question on the spot. um Maybe you don't have an answer. Miss Kast, who else could you see in this role? Going back to that time period, that's the question, right? It is like, I'd have to remember what these actresses were like in the 80s. Question. Okay, actually, I actually think, it's funny, this movie opened ah and was beat out at the box office opening weekend by Fatal Attraction. But I think Glenn Close would be the better casting choice. They see that's a swing in the opposite direction. Come yeah, yeah, direction and ooh, see yeah, no, I can't see her in this, but I could see the try. I could definitely see the try. It's perfect for me. It's probably somebody in between those two like. Right. Yeah, yes, yeah, actually, yeah, this movie was written for Meg Ryan 10 years before Meg Ryan was Meg Ryan. No, no, no, when Harry met Sally predates this, believe. No way, hold on. No, no, no. it's early. That's like mid, I think that's 84 or 85 when Harry met Sally. I think that's like 91, isn't it? 89. 89 OK oh so OK two years. OK yeah so oh yeah you're right I can see him right in this yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure for sure. There you go, she might not have been big enough yet to handle a movie, like to be cast. She could handle it, but yeah, I don't know if the producers would have been like, that's a great choice. And you know who else I could see in this? is perfect was like already in her stardom at the time share. I could totally. Because she has that clinical hard edge thing when she needs it. You know she's got that. The only problem with Cher, I think, is this movie, maybe. That's a hard maybe. um But my hesitation with Cher is she often comes across, like, I feel like you still need an actress that has a certain range beyond... um Like, Cher is very good at having a very particular type of character, but then, like, even within that character, it's like, you've got to be deadly serious and you've got to be completely batshit, like, vaudevillian. And I don't know if she's got quite that full, you know, left to right range. I'm not 100 % of that. me, Cher is one of those actresses, when I look back at her catalog, her range is not in individual films, right? She doesn't have a uh performance range in individual films. Her range of her presentations over her body of work is pretty vast. But I can kind of see what you're saying. She may not have the in the moment range to play the comedy back to the drama, back to the sort of tiger lady thing. So yeah, okay. But there is in this movie even even with Diane Keaton as good as she is as good as she normally is in this movie There was something I mean the script is partly to blame because there are so many moments as the as the reddit person Mentioned the baby she inherited a baby from a cousin. She's never met uh was the 80s, man. It was the 80s. Totally, totally possible. Totally possible. And to be fair, I'm like, was a different. with a little cocaine too My God. this person literally shows up the airport hands her the baby and is like, bye. And gets back on a plane and flies away. And now this baby is legally Diane Keaton's responsibility somehow. Somehow she's able like she's going to have to enroll this kid in school. Then I'm like, how is the paperwork even going to say you're the legal guard? Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. The movie is like, look, we don't care about this type of shit. So there's a little bit of that type of nonsense. And as they mentioned, like, I actually liked the nanny find. In fact, one of my shout outs I wanted to give was Victoria Jackson. Oh, yeah. One of the nannies. And when she appeared on screen, I was like, who is this? I recognized her, couldn't place her. Yes. So she's an SNL alum. She has long been she's been in comedy. She's been doing movies for a long, time. And she is. The one somewhat sad thing I want to say about Tori Jackson, because she's still with us. did you look it up too? I've been following it for a while. Okay, I did not know this. had not been following Victoria Jackson. I had to look her up this time. apparently last year she announced that she had a cancer scare. She got treatment for it. It came back. And she announced at the tail end of 2024. She kind of made an announcement to her fans in her typical humorous manner. But she says cancer update. I have 34.8 months to live if I don't get hit by a meteor get COVID again or WW3 breaks out. Which Yeah, but she's in good humor about it. She's like, I've lived a fantastic life. can't like no complaints. And who knows how long this will actually last. Like it's one of the she's going through treatment to there's an inoperable tumor that she has like where it's placed. They can't get it. But they can do treatments to like keep it from growing, like kind of really minimize how quickly it grows. So we'll see how well that works. But she might she's on the clock as of this point one way or the other. We all are. But her it's always weird when you know. You know, when it's like now you have a certain kind of countdown, kind of timer. Some people beat that timer by quite a margin. Some people are like, you have 12 months and like five years later, they're still here. So you never know. But that was very sad. And she is very like, she's hysterical in this movie and kind of put her back on my radar. was glad I was glad to have rediscovered her. know what's amazing about her? It's she and I'm forgetting the actor's name at the moment, but there's always chatter about them. Should have had, should have sort of blossomed into these massive careers ah as leading actors, comedic actors, because she is one of those people who holds her own, not only holds her own, she like steals virtually every scene. Um, and so there's lots of chatter online about the unfortunate reality that she sort of became a Trump supporter, really sort of vocal Trump supporter and, you know, some. Yeah. I did not know that. that is a shame. Well, you know, it's a choice. It's a choice. It's just the other. It's a choice. ah You know, but she is looking better back at her catalog. She is just one of those people who steals every scene. Like you go back and look at her in SNL, she steals every scene. Just something about the makeup of her face and her skill and her talent. She's sort of like Rachel Dratch to me. Rachel Dratch is one of those SNL comedians who just looking at her, start to laugh because I know the wheels are firing and she also looks awesomely funny. Anyway, let's get back on track here. Thoughts on the film as a whole? I think the core comedic relationship between the baby and as I call it, the bubbling bag of coos and drool with the child representing the chaos. that is thrust into Keaton's rigidity. The comedy is a baby. It's a Gerber baby with a grin. It is just so cute. Almost looks like it looks like it was made in a baby factory for Hollywood. it was usually twins. They usually have twins or triplets because of the the right to work stuff. But hard it is to have any one single baby work that much and get that many shots and so on and so forth. goodness. Yeah. um But yeah, I do think Keaton is both accessible and honestly believable in the role because again, I don't think the script requires a whole lot from the actor. I think it's the actor just showing up and walking through the film is kind of the performance. You know, as we said, it's it's broad strokes, the film, the script, it's broad strokes. feel like it needed more though. I'm gonna both agree and disagree. I'm gonna agree with the fact that I'm pretty sure the director, like I think they got the movie they were trying to make. I think they made the movie they were trying to make. I think they were happy with it, but. I think this script is specially coming out of 1987. Again, people like this, more or less like this in 1987 with caveats, but more or less liked it. And I think now it's the opposite. I think you're mostly going to not like it with some caveats of like good moments. But it's like this script really needed more to sell the idea now that we've come so far in these conversations and culture and so far in terms of just understanding who this Diane Keaton character really is. how she's competent or how she's not the script is just a little too easy in terms of making her utterly and like she goes from they're saying how amazing she is we never get to see it and and then and then she gets the baby and she is immediately completely incompetent right I don't I can't do it into fucking goofy yes thank you And yeah, it's terrible. I think it's such a 180. Or it's, again, we don't really get to see her being competent either. So it's like, what? So the script did call for more. But I think the creative duo that made this needed to ask for more and they didn't. They didn't either think to her, didn't want to her or something. But to make this movie truly work, at least now, yeah, it needed more. It was just a little too pat, a little too easy. Put it forward a little bit. Let's say we are making this film now, right? Let's say we are making this film. What the fuck does that character look like? What is that? I think what this character needs. now if we're going to do it, one, because we're living in a society where we have a lot more female leadership in major roles in business, and I'm not saying we have equity or anything close to it yet, but we have more. It's more visible. We're more used to it. We're more familiar with it. I was just realizing uh not too long ago that like, and I understand that this is a weird rarity. in life, but I have actually had a majority female bosses in my professional career. I've had very few male bosses. because of the tight shirts, Dave. Calm down. Maybe, maybe. No, no, no, because they don't even hire me. I'm usually, I'm often hired by this other group, but then my immediate superior tends to be a woman. And it's interesting because when I finally, the one time, there's kind of this one time that I had a direct male boss and I couldn't fucking stand him. I think, no, I mean, not to say that he didn't have like authentic flaws to his leadership or whatnot. I do think this is, I had kind of a weird inverse experience to what most people experience with female bosses, where it's like, it rubs them the wrong way because the style of leadership is different, and they're not used to it. And so they're used to the male version of it. And for me, it was vice versa. So the moment I got a guy as my boss, I was like, fuck, this guy's aggressive. Like, Jesus, he's just, I'm like, every time he would talk or say anything, my inside I would just be thinking back the fuck off what is wrong with you. And it rubbed me the wrong way because I was used to a different style of leadership. And I feel like those energies, whatever you're comfortable with, whatever that default is, we were like, that's leadership. That's what I just see because it's just what I've been taught, like, just by by osmosis, right, just by living in this society, I learned that this is leadership. And then when another type of person comes in and gives you a different type of leadership, You're like, this is weird. This doesn't work or whatever your criticism, however you want to voice your criticism. It's really just your own personal unfamiliarity with that style. um And so I think nowadays you would need something where I would want commentary on how female leadership struggles just because we're still trying to accept that version of leadership. And I think even if the baby comes into the picture, there's so much more that can be said about maternal, the lack of maternity leave, the lack of maternity leave, the lack of family leave, the lack of, you know, there was a lot here in the eighties where like they, she and her significant other who's played by Gerald Ramis in this movie. And they're like, they, they won't, don't want to get married because they want to be independent. And, then the moment she gets this baby and she's like, no, I think this baby's here to stay. He's like, okay, I can't do this. just fucks off instantly. Yep. Later. He leaves there fairly quickly and and then never appears again, like just never comes back. And of course, she has to go find someone in the Midwest, the Sam Shepard character later in the movie to be the one who wants to have a family and raise a baby and so on. Now, there are still some of that has not changed. If you if if I want if I wanted a family life, I would probably like, could I find it in L.A.? Yes, I could. You to be a hell of a lot harder? Uh huh. And if I just moved, if I moved to someplace a little more rural, just in California, would that be a hell of a lot more like second date, like the people who would want to still be looking for a date would probably be or and looking for a relationship would probably be looking for to start a family life that would be much more common out there. So like all of that kind of in broad strokes is the same. But I just think it's good. There's so much more nuance to it now. And there's so much more gray area and there's so much more you would need the characters to have these different facets and levels to them rather than this insane broad strokes comedy that we got in this movie where again she goes from she's the tiger lady to utter incompetence with like one scene to the next and never to go back. No, there's no on ramp into that. It just happens. So I think that it just requires nuance and it requires more thought into what we're presenting and how we're presenting it. specifically we're trying to say about it and then what are the fixes or you know, what are we trying to say if nothing needs to be fixed? What are we trying to say with this movie? And I feel like baby boom is too much of a relic at this point where what it's trying to say almost doesn't pertain. We've just come a little too far from it where it's like, okay, we know this we're now we need to know we need to get more into the nitty gritty of solutions and what uh the evolution is from here in our culture, rather than, you can have a baby and a job. It's like, right? You can. We've been able to do that for three or four decades now. What else you got? What else you got? And even in this movie, she essentially abandons the job and even abandons the selling out to go back to that type of a job. She abandons all of it to have the baby. I'm like, well, I don't know if that's what I'd want my message to be now, is that abandon everything and have a family life in the Midwest. I'm like, hmm, not so sure. that. All right. All right. All All right. I'll accept it. I don't know. I think with this film. So I generally have an issue with and you've probably heard me discuss this have an issue with films that are sort of that one dimensional, you know, this is a very sort of one dimensional film for me. It just says a very one dimensional broad strokes, right? It is So on the nose, it's so novel. It's a thing that's happening in the moment. And the writers were like, oh, let's do a thing about this thing that's happening. Right. Not a huge fan of that because it is so limiting. It's just so limiting because you're It is so quickly because you're writing within the bubble. yeah, but I do think. Those films have a place to introduce new ideas to the masses in very simply digested ways. So, you know, I get it. I understand their place. They're sometimes a necessity. So when I'm thinking about taking this film and sort of transposing it into, know, where we are now, I like the idea of interdimensionality, right? That's something this film doesn't necessarily have. It doesn't treat You know, like you were saying, all the other things we've learned about existence, about culture in the last 40 years. Now that, that unfortunately is a mammoth undertaking because you do get so much, right? Like, you take it, take the primary character into a sort of trans route? Do you take it in terms of, you know, it's just so much and everything's so sort of topical now that I think, I don't think this film is necessary any version of this now because its central sort of postulations and themes are a little, not even a little dated, are a little dated, a little stilted. But if I were to, you know, move the needle on this film, I would probably do something like take it to a trans kind of. There you go, okay. Got it. Yeah, I'm like, okay, let's just swing. Let's do another broad strokes film that just happens to be centered on a really interdimensional character. Yeah, that's that's probably where I would say. Okay, okay. Yeah, I think whether you go that route, or you just do something where it's like, less of a I think that I think this subject matter nowadays, it just has to be like, it's not a choice career or family. Like, I feel like this movie still kind of makes it uh a choice. Like, at the end, you're like, right, you're picking one or the other. And it's like, you better pick the right pick the right one for yourself. And I'm like, hmm. I would really, even if it's not true, I would want to push for the message that you shouldn't. I mean, she has her own business at the end that she sort of starts up and like, cool, but not everyone's going to succeed in that. Not everyone can do that. Not everyone has the capital to do that. I even love how she somehow does this with like, she winds up like, uh, poppering herself, like she's broke and then starts up this business and I'm like, come. I'm pretty sure the dollars you the city go a lot further out in the middle of nowhere. Well, and also, I just think if you're gonna have her start up her own business, at least let her use the money that she had. Right. amazing job before. Right. To like get it started. That's a little more realistic than just like, and now you're broke. And now you start your small business that takes off and does gangbusters. What a brilliant idea. Does it happen? Sure. Does it happen? Happen? No. Like it's the exception, not really the rule in any event. All right. One last question, Dave, before we get into the wine here. Yep. Do you have a favorite Mother's Day memory from the past? Something you did for your mom, made in school, you know, anything like that. uh no. uh gonna show your mom this episode by the way, so yeah All right, you think about it while I go, you think about it while I go Hey, you go ahead. Go ahead. Yes, I'll try to actually listen to you because I'll be thinking so hard, but go ahead. Yeah, you know, just play it back later. You think this is for the audience. So my mom has always been one of those moms who has devoted like every cell of her being to be for little humans she put out into the world. And it's palpable. Like you can see it like you mentioned one of her children's name and there's this sort of almost gasp of like, are they OK? And this is now me at 40 some odd years old. And she does this with all her kids. So uh I never understood that that's that connection to people. You know, because I'm not a mother, of course. uh Right. So seeing that in her uh when I was, I guess it was seventh or eighth grade. And I ended up making her this little booklet uh of why I love my mommy. Yeah, seventh or eighth grade. Don't trust me guys. I came to emotions late. uh And still I'm still only about 20 % there. And yeah, that was that was I had an older sister that uh guilt tripped me when I think I was in fifth or sixth grade and I was still holding my mom's hand at the mall kind of a thing and my sister was and my two year old my two years older sister was like disgusted with me for doing that Things I didn't know about Dave that I kinda knew. He held his mom until he was like in fifths, mom's hand until was like fifth grade. 100%, I see it. I see it, I see it. Yeah, yeah. And of course, the thing like girls mature faster than guys. So she was like just in junior high, which is like that discussion. Yeah. A terrible age where everything is horrible to like every what anything anyone else does is just like right for right for criticism. Yeah. Go ahead. So anyway, that's it. That's my memory. was, she loved it. We did, I think we did McDonald's that year because my dad forgot to plan something. So we ended up going to McDonald's or something for Mother's Yeah, the only things I can remember, I mean, I know I used to do I think I used to watch Mother's Day movies with my mom when we were in the same place, like we could actually visit each other easily. We can right now on the west coast there on the east coast. So it's not Mother's Day is not something you make that trip for. Right. Alone. And of course, you never want to do because my mom and dad are both still with me. So it's like, if you do one, you got to do the other. can't just like you're going to make a trip. You're not. You can't pick one parent, like knock over the other ones. You always got to. way that a little bit and be like, I'm doing the same thing for both my parents on Mother's Day and Father's Day and for their birthdays and things like that. I do remember, think I might have watched that, speaking of the Albert Brooks mother that I mentioned earlier at the beginning of this episode, I think I'm going to watch that with her for Mother's Day once upon a time. And I think most recently, the one thing I'm proud of is my mom was recently going through this gastrointestinal issue and she got diagnosed with being on, she needed to be on this thing called the FODMAP diet. And that is F-O-D-M-A-P. And if anyone looks Google that FODMAP, it's intense. There is this laundry list of things you cannot eat. Laundry list. mean, is intense. All the things you want. But I mean, it's nitpicky. It's like, You know, red onions, yes, yellow onions, no. It's like weird. It's like things that are like right. would think they're in the same category, but then one is OK and one is not. And because of the exact things that are in like the chemical properties within the thing or what nutrients are in that version versus the other version. So it gets numbing, mind numbingly specific. uh know, cherries OK, blueberries not OK. fruit is like dividing half vegetables are divided in half. It's like you've got to be very careful. So the one year that she was on the FODMAP, I knew that my I once upon a time gotten this like gift basket uh of imported European goods for my parents and they love them. So and it's from this place called European Deli. If you ever look online, you sort of from things online, they have all this wonderful stuff from Europe. They have meats and cheeses and jams. And then they also have baked goods and prepackaged goods and chocolates and all sorts of stuff. And so I put together for Mother's Day one year, things like I deep dive, they put the nutrition label on the website for everything. And I got a whole gift basket of only things she could eat on this pot and diet from this thing. And it was, I mean, I just days and days rifling through the nutrition information on these fucking things and putting that together. So when I sent that to her, She was very, she was like, my, this is amazing. And she got it and she's like, yeah, we love this stuff. And I'm like, and everything is 100 % FODMAP certified. I can, I went through the fucking list and then she was like, oh, that's amazing. Then she got to go to town with it. So that was nice. That's All right. Dallas, what do you got? Where do you pair in with Baby Boom? you know, I, I said something else in my earlier pairing and I want that, I want that to stay in for sure. I want this to be a sort of an addendum because it's okay to either second guess yourself or change. And, uh, I'm okay with doing that. My initial. m a dog somewhere in the background that doesn't agree with you. that's hilarious. Yeah, the moment I start recording the moment I start recording. It's like you and the leaf blowers. Yeah. But I said Although don't forget, we haven't started recording. This is all in the same recording. That's right. Well, you know, mean, God, no, they're peering behind the curtain of a podcast. You you gotta play the part, you gotta act to the part. This is all seamless and we never have to re-record portions later. Yeah, right. God, no, I don't know. But uh I said uh the uh I always want to say for good people. What's the name of the winery? Great, dear native grapes. I always want to call them the good people. good people. mean, I'm sure, dear Native Grapes, I'm sure you are. We are so sure you are good people. ah Dallas knows nothing else about you, but probably good people. know, I know I know you make a damn fine little bottle of wine and that's kind of it. But hopefully I'm going to learn more in the future. I'm sure I will because I like what you guys offer and I'm sure at some point there will be the need to pair something you do with something we are watching because that's what we do here at the entertainment. Anyway, back on track. I initially chose their Lake Cornell and which it's a lovely little wine because I was attempting to overcompensate for the lack in one dimension, sort of one dimensionality for lack in the better term uh of the uh film, Baby Boom. Yeah, my one's gonna do the same. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, and I decided that a better pairing would be the two buck Chuck from Trader Joe's. I'll tell you why. ah Did you hear that Native Greeks? You're good people, but two buck chuck we think is the better pairing than your wine. You might want to explain that. You might want to explain. better with the film than the Dear Native Grapes, but I reserve the right and will likely pair the wonderful Dear Native Grapes, Lake Arnell, with something in the future. To be fair, we did. And in any shape or way an admission that the Two Bucks Chuck is better than Dear Native Grapes. is not, by a margin. is not. But I did want to say we did actually pair your L'Equernel with the December's music album from a couple of episodes back. That episode, because we did pair it with that. We did it as a backup because Dear Native Grapes are based in the East Coast and Hudson Valley of New York. And you can only yes, you can only get their wines. They don't make many of them. You can only get them from ordering direct from them. So just in case people wanted something, I did it as a backup. Pairing with that album then gave a suggestion and a pairing that might be more accessible might be more easy to get your hands on and it was a good thing I did because the day the episode dropped halfway through the day I checked in and they were sold out uh El kernel so they or le kernel so that is they only made like five I think 72 bottles five cases something like that it was crazy so or six cases whatever it six cases So you can't get it until their next batch, but they do still have their Delaware wine, which is amazing and delicious. And Dallas has tried that one as well. So anyway, back to you Dallas. And that whole region has some great wines guys. Seriously, there's some there's some really good wines coming out of that region. So if you can't find your native grapes, I am sure and will maybe even will add a little list here because I've been to a few of the news and wineries up there. And again, some great stuff coming out of that region. So if you can't get their native grapes by all means, just adventure around and find something like it. Maybe you won't. But instead I went with the two buck shot. uh the cabs of uh version. The red, exactly. love that they're like, the red, yeah, the red cabs of no, we don't do that here. We do red. ah But uh it is, you know, it is it's fruity. It is juicy. It like the film isn't terribly bad and also isn't terribly good. ah But it's it's it's I need a glass of wine to watch a movie lowercase. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, okay. I it. I buy it. mean, honestly, yeah, to match the movie, I'm going to go ahead and give everyone a pairing that is probably something that will add a dimension that the movie is missing. So it'll contrast with that and give you little something. But yeah. intent initially as well, know, know, in hindsight and retrospect, it's like, I think I'm overthinking it and I'm wasting a wasting a good pairing. uh Right. Two Buck Chuck is also, it was a wine at a wedding I went to once. was like they had a red, they had a white, that was it. They had the white and the red, two Buck Chuck, which is like four Buck Chuck these days, of course. Inflation. Inflation. And it's fine, it's fine. I drank it. I did not drink anything else. I kept going back and just drinking the wine in plastic cups and I was like, yeah, it works. It's not, you know, it's it's it's good enough, especially for the price. Honestly, I've tried other four dollar wines from like Trader Joe's and things like that, especially reds that were far worse. So they kind of know what they're doing. They kind of do. do. They really do. They give you what you want. You're going to the store to grab a bottle of wine. This is a bottle of one. So yeah, that's it. Yeah, what you got? Beautiful. All right. Yeah. And I actually paired the other one Delaware. That was the other one from Dear Death Grapes. yeah, Delaware. I paired that with the Toxic Avenger comic recently on Vintertainment. So one you all go to. Yeah. Let's go look up on our Vintertainment sub stack. Go look up Toxic Avenger. a little search. You will find that we did one for the movie and one for the recent comic that is now an ongoing series and the Peter Dinklage new Toxic Avenger now has release date. coming out later this year. all good things happening with Toxic Abenders. So for me, I also went with the rare one here. I went with a native grape from Bosnia of all places. And this was one that it's actually, you know, I have a link for people to buy it. You can buy it online, especially if you're in the States. It's been imported over here. It's not hard to find. It's roughly around like 20 to $25 a bottle. So not expensive either. It's right in that kind of sweet spot of a price point. And this is a grape called Blatina. uh B-L-A-N, no, P-L-A-T-I-N-A, Blatina. And this is from the Schkegro Family Winery, if I'm pronouncing any of this right, I probably am not. So it is Schkegro Family Winery Blatina, Krisch Cerny. That is KRS, space, C-R-N-I, CERNI, I think, from Bosnia and Herzegovina. Herzegovina. um And this is, it's a relatively unknown workhorse red grape from Herzegovina. Herzegovina, I can't say this, Herzegovina. Fun fact, Blatina is autostero, meaning that unlike virtually every other grape in existence, it cannot. pollinate itself. the Bosnians have found a workaround for this. They co-plant the Latino with other varieties that flower concurrently. in the Chitego winery, so the other vines basically keep pollinating the Latino wines because the Latino wines are like, we're just hanging out here. We're going to die this year if no one else is here to do something with us, which is really interesting that something actually evolved that way. But of course, that's evolution for you. never know. Um, now this is a delicious fucking wine, but here's why I think it pairs well with baby boom. One, this is all like it's black cherry, blacker fruit, and then pepper. This thing is pepper from miles. It is one of the peppery as wines I have ever tasted or smelled in my life. You get it immediately. It is like black pepper, black pepper, a little bit of white pepper, but I mean, it's just like, it's also like just a multicolored, um, What do you call the multicolored peppers? Black pepper, green pepper, red pepper, the... Course. It's little flat of a movie. It's a little one note, as Dallas said. So you need a wine that is going to counter that. You need a pepper wine like this. And then the reason I think it pairs really beautifully with Baby Boom specific. I had this wine open for three days and day one and two, it was gorgeous. And it faded on day three. It did not last. Like there's something about it where it's like, but suddenly all the pepper went away. And it was just like flat black cherry flavors, like kind of like at bad Merlot, where it's it's one note. It's completely just like it's not giving you much of anything. And you're like, I can have a few sips, but then it's just so boring kind of a thing. So I liked that in a way for baby boom, because like, here's a movie that's kind of throwing everything in the kitchen sink seemingly into one movie and being really over the top and really bombastic. And yet, man, it had its 48 hours and it did not last. And so I think you need something really peppery. If you cannot find the Blatina or you guys don't want to, you'll probably have to find it online and make an order. if you especially if you're in the States or North America, apparently it's around. It's not that hard to find. But if you don't want to do that, just get whatever your peppery sera is, because sera tends to be a grape that gets very peppery. So find your favorite peppery sera. Do that instead. That'll be a good kind of run of the mill, more and more ever present. You can buy a sera just about everywhere. Find a nice Syrah, you'd probably get it in that 20 to $30 range. That's where you're gonna find some good Syrah and probably more peppery and more slight, you know, better acidity, something a little more depth. Get that, if not, Blatina from the Krish Cerny Scegro Family Winery. And that is, drink it within 48 hours. Because apparently it will fade. By day three, that oxidation is starting to take away all those layers of flavor. Some grapes do that where it's like they just don't last for whatever reason. Boletina seems to be one of them. um But I really enjoyed for those 48 hours. It was one of my the best red wines I've had in a while. So I really appreciated it and really think it would go well with this. 48-hour wine. That's a real thing. Drinking with you for eight hours. A lot of wines don't get better after 48 hours. You have about 48 hours where it kind of gets better and better. It opens up, gets a little oxidized and that actually makes it better. And then some wines, diminishing returns after that. And then it starts oxidizing and that's where the wine will, it starts to lose flavor. Then it starts to develop shitty flavors and then it's vinegar. And it's no good. It doesn't hurt you, but it does not taste good. And that can be its own thing. So, all right, both Happy Mother's Day. Go, once again, at least send your mother a goddamn text. Don't be lazy. And remember, she's out there. Remember that whatever your issues, you still love her. Well I don't- You're an adult now. adult now get over it yes yes move on now look there are some extreme cases out there and I do understand those and and all my sympathies to those who have to go through the truly extreme poor mother-child relationships but if yours is not that yeah send a text like start repairing that relationship if it's even if it's on shaky ground it's Mother's Day do something nice for send her a nice bottle of wine send her a Blatina order it online now get it shipped overnight spend that money and get into it right away and tell her to watch Baby Boom. Baby Boom right now is streaming in North America on a lot of the free places like Tubi and Pluto TV, things like that, Roku channel. check it out. And then? tell her to follow this podcast immediately. As a matter of give a to this podcast. Mother's Day. But it's coming. All right, folks, happy Mother's Day. We'll catch you next week. We'll be back then with another wine and entertainment pairing for y'all of entertainment. That's right. Ciao for now. Later, guys.