Wine and...Music: LA REVANCHA DEL TANGO by Gotan Project (2001) with Kate Reuschel - Part 2

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Today's guest is screenwriter KATE REUSCHEL, a wine creative, writer and educator who specializes in Portuguese wine. She writes the Substack SURVIVES ON WINE, which is where I discovered her. She comes from a 15+ year career in the fashion design industry and she continues to practice visual art over on her Substack where she creates Wine Infographics and creates Visual Wine Tasting Notes.

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KATE'S CHOICE: "La Revancha del Tango" by Gotan Project is an incredible fusion of Argentinian Tango and French electronic dub for an album that made the "1001 Albums You Must Listen To Before You Die" book, and for good reason.
 
"Gotan" is "Tango" with switched syllables, a common wordplay in Tango lyrics called "el verse". The group was based in Paris, France, consisting of musicians Eduardo Makaroff (Argentinian), Philippe Cohen Solal (French) and Christoph H. Müller (Swiss).

THE WINES
KATE'S WINE:
Phulia 'Desvirttuado' Loureiro White 2021
Lima, Vinho Verde, Portugal
Phulia are risk takers and love to subvert the norm - hence their Desvirttuado brand - meaning 'distorted' or 'misrepresented'. Here they have aged Loureiro, which is very uncommon in the Vinho Verde, to create something very unique!

Although very uncommon to do so, Loureiro has excellent ageing potential, with its ability to still retain its freshness, fruitiness and florality (is that a word?) The wine is made from a combination of 50% aged in barrel and 50% aged in steel, both for 1 year. Then the bottle is allowed to age another year before it can be drunk.

DALLAS' WINE:
Bodegas Lopez Vasco Viejo Malbec, 2020
Mendoza, Argentina
A medium-bodied wine with surprising depth and savory notes for its modest price. It is forward and easygoing offering up an enticing nose of spice box and black cherry. This provides much pleasure and is an ideal barbecue wine. 3 months in French Nancy oak vats ranging in size from 5,000-25,000 liters. Organically farmed.

DAVE'S WINE:
Zuccardi "Concreto" Malbec, 2021
Uco Valley, Argentina
100% Malbec aged in pure, uncoated concrete.
The 2021 Concreto Malbec has to be one of the finest vintages of this wine despite its youth. This is the wine that explains the Zuccardi philosophy without breaking your piggy bank. It is delicious, serious, approachable and has aging potential. What else do you want?

Chapters

• 1:48 Track 5 - Santa Maria (del Buen Ayre)
• 6:12 Track 6 - Una Musical Brutal
• 10:23 Track 7 - El Capitalismo Foraneo
• 15:00 Track 8 - Last Tango in Paris
• 18:03 Track 9 - La del Ruso
• 25:32 Track 10 - Vuelvo al Sur
• 30:37 Track 11 - Diciembre 2001
• 37:02 Kate's Wine Pairing
• 40:15 Dallas' Wine Pairing
• 44:53 Dave's Wine Pairing
• 51:42 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up!

Transcript

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I'm Dave and I'm Dallas. Together we are your window. Window. We have opinions on all things media and entertainment. Sometimes there are. Sometimes I go down with a glass of wine. Oh, you want some? Come get some. Welcome back, everybody, to wine and the show where we pair wine with movies, TV, music, books and comics. Not necessarily in that order.

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Most of the time we talk about things we love. Sometimes we dissect something that we hate. But whatever it is you love, whatever it is you hate. There is a wine that pairs with that. Sometimes we even have guests on from any or all of those industries. And today's special guest is Kate Rachelle, a wine creative writer and educator who specializes in Portuguese wine.

00;00;48;13 - 00;01;19;29
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She writes a Substack survives on wine, which is where I discovered her. She comes from a 15 plus year career in the fashion design industry, and she continues to practice visual art over on her Substack, where she creates wine infographics and creates visual wine tasting notes. go listen to part one of this episode to find out what all the details of what all those things are, because sometimes our guest talks so much that we have to split an episode into two parts, which is what we had to do here.

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Unknown
Thanks, Kate. So this is part two of our episode on Gotten Projects debut album, Le Rancho del Tango or Revenge of the tango. Make sure to go back and listen to part one where we discuss all things Kate and Portuguese wine. The details of the band and this album in particular, and cover tracks one through four. Today's episode will be covering tracks five through 11 and then finally the one pairings.

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Unknown
Let's get to it. All right, track number five. Santa Maria del Buen ayer or Buenos Aires? Our lady of the Good Air. Kate, what do you think about this one coming out of triptych? So I think it's actually, I think a lot of people might think it's not the right song to go afterwards, but I totally understand why they put it after.

00;02;05;19 - 00;02;29;00
Unknown
For me, it's like, okay, you've just gotten out of this really, really cool jam session where you're, you know, you're kind of just in your chair, and then you have Christina. I like I'll probably butcher her last name, Villar Longa, but her vocals are just seductive and sultry in their song, and there's not a lot of them, but she's almost like calling you in for a march.

00;02;29;00 - 00;02;45;21
Unknown
Like calling you in to pay attention. So you're you because you can kind of lose yourself in the jam before, and her vocals just brings it back to the fold for me to be like, okay, I need to like, I need to come back. Yeah. Let's refocus. Like, let me get into this and it's it's more of a march to me.

00;02;45;24 - 00;03;18;17
Unknown
And I almost I don't know, I feel like, I feel like you have your more traditional tango tango vibes coming out. She's. She's kind of bringing that old school. What, you think tango should sound like, and that's. She's bringing that to the fold, and I. Oh, okay. You guys are going to laugh at me for this, but when I hear this song, I picture Morticia and or Gomez Addams in a wine cave doing the most seductive, sultry tango dance ever.

00;03;18;17 - 00;03;33;24
Unknown
And that that to me, that is the song for me. So I just love it. And I say.

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Unknown
I mean, all.

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Unknown
I for this.

00;04;06;27 - 00;04;46;25
Unknown
Okay. So yes, to your point, right. So she's referencing, they're referencing in this song, milonga, which is often referred to as the mother of tango, where a tango has sort of seduction at its kind of core. Milonga rhythms are less sensual, for lack of a better term. and I think you're right, it is sort of pulling the, the viewer, the listener back to the sort of core of, this work, which is tango, and, yeah.

00;04;46;25 - 00;05;06;11
Unknown
Yeah. Good. No good. No, I yeah, I agree, I think, you know her vocals. Well, track number two, I was overly lulled by them. This one, it's perfect. It's like it's exactly what the song needs. it makes it play. And it does have this much more, I think, coming out of triptych, I agree with you. The placement on the album.

00;05;06;18 - 00;05;30;05
Unknown
I think the song might not have played as well for me if it was elsewhere, but coming out of that massive experimental instrumental and then hitting this song, which is so very straightforward, tango where much more mainstream, much more traditionally, you know, this is a song that has been sampled and used on like, multiple movies The Bourne Identity, Shall We Dance?

00;05;30;21 - 00;05;46;29
Unknown
so. And I can see why it's so mainstream popular because here it is. Like, if you're if you're a movie and you're like, we want that tango feel, it's like, this is just giving you the tango feel. Yeah. You know, and it's like here it is straightforward. We're not mucking with it too much. We're just giving it to you straight up on a platter.

00;05;46;29 - 00;06;10;07
Unknown
And then here are these very seductive vocals to go with it. And it is this nice, palate cleanser coming out of, I think, things like a Zappa cover and an 8.5 minute instrumental where you're just like, simple, straightforward, simple to the point, but very well done. So yeah, I think on its placement on the album, this is a perfect placement and it does it for me every time.

00;06;10;13 - 00;06;31;12
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. All right. Track six una musical. Brutal or brutal music.

00;06;31;15 - 00;06;50;27
Unknown
Great voices. All. In it is thing I love. I. Una musica. Melody. I know.

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Unknown
I'm.

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Unknown
I'm. You know.

00;07;09;06 - 00;07;28;15
Unknown
Okay. What do we think? This is my. It's my favorite on the album. It's my fate. Yeah, I know, I figured I like shocks some people. It's my favorite I know, I know, I know, I'm a weird girl. listening to it the way you described your connection to the album. yeah, that makes sense, actually. Okay, okay.

00;07;28;18 - 00;07;49;13
Unknown
I'm glad I could do that. Yeah. So this one starts more like I and I. I love how it follows the Santa Maria, because it it also starts as a traditional tango. Yes, but then you get into some dub beats and dance and it gets, it gets funky and I it and the sultry vocals are like, come in and out.

00;07;49;13 - 00;08;16;24
Unknown
And to me this is, this is the one that for me, I can see how they have totally been able to blend traditional tango with dance, dub and yes, really, really great vocals that don't, you know, that aren't the centerpiece. Like because those vocals are not meant to be front and center and they just do an excellent job of melding that.

00;08;16;24 - 00;08;36;20
Unknown
And for me, this is the one that's like, I get why you you have kind of reinvented tango in your own way. So for me, this is my favorite. All right. Interesting. Yeah I mean it's my thing is they are my fave vocals on the album. Okay. I think the way she does them, they're so crooning, crooning and wispy.

00;08;36;26 - 00;09;03;18
Unknown
Very evocative. Like she's doing her most, like, not just sultry, but like she's there's something else to the tenor and what she's putting into the lyrics. There's less of them. But when she comes in, I mean, they're very just, they're, they're very purposeful and they're giving a lot of extra feeling to, to the song and then, yeah, those awesome club beats while still having that old school bandoneon playing, you're just like, what?

00;09;03;21 - 00;09;23;03
Unknown
What the hell am I listening to? but but it is great. And I do think you're right. Coming off of, I think when I would, when I would not pay attention to what track I was on, when I would just listen to the album straight through as an album, I thought track five and track six were the same track, like they were into each other.

00;09;23;03 - 00;09;40;24
Unknown
Yeah. And because of that, how traditional tango we it is. But then this one pushes it to this new place, and I would just think it was the second half of the song. and looking at it now, I'm like, oh, it does stop and then start to get into new track. Oh shit. so but yeah, that's my take.

00;09;40;24 - 00;10;04;03
Unknown
That was yeah, similar. I, I do like this one because it does start with that. It leads you and like I said, the previous song, it sort of bookends or leads into the song, and then they drop with the needle, so to speak. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, with, with the dove sort of treatment and, it is it's fun.

00;10;04;03 - 00;10;26;24
Unknown
This is the song. If I were in some, French salon, enjoying this album. this is a song. After 3 or 4 glasses of wine, I'd probably jump up and just start dancing, too. so, yeah, I get it. It's a great song. Great. Cool, cool. All right. Track number seven, El capitalist mode for El Nino.

00;10;26;24 - 00;10;56;18
Unknown
The foreign capitalism. this is an original composition by classic bandoneon player and composer Avelino Flores, father to the album's band, Doni, and player Nini Flores. it's sad both of them have passed away since, sadly. but Nini, actually the father outlasts outlived the son. Tragically. I know Nini passed away at the age of 50 in 2016, while his father, born in 1934, outlived him until 2018.

00;10;57;01 - 00;11;18;17
Unknown
both by natural causes. I think Nini passed away in like a hotel room from heart failure, you know, a heart attack or something of that nature. but one half, and this was one half of that first single that was released prior to the album. so that click, click, bump, bump, tick, tick, tick, dink a little bump bump beat plays throughout both of them.

00;11;19;07 - 00;11;39;09
Unknown
even though the songs are very different beyond that. But I love that beat. I love both songs that contain that beat. This one. Yeah, I love this song. This might be a contender for my second favorite on the album. I have not fully decided what my second favorite is, but this is definitely a very close contender for what that might be.

00;11;39;09 - 00;11;57;08
Unknown
But okay. What do you think? I think it's a great song. for me, it has a lot, a lot of grit. You know, they add in that background noise where I can, you know, at some point it sounds like just street noise. Sometimes it sounds like a dog barking. I mean, I don't know, whatever that track, you know, whatever they recorded outside.

00;11;57;11 - 00;12;17;28
Unknown
Okay. Yes. Dog. Yes, yes. Can I just can I just say every time I listen to this fucking track, I have to I think it's a real dog in my neighborhood. So I look out my window to find where this damn barking is coming from. If I'm walking down the street, I'm like. I'm like, is someone about to pass me with their dog?

00;12;17;28 - 00;12;41;21
Unknown
And the dog's going apeshit and I'm like, I need to get out of the way. So it's like we're right. The way they recorded that dog, I'm like, I. So I will say I'm like, I was this track for that. I does get me every single time. And I.

00;12;41;23 - 00;13;01;16
Unknown
Know you walk on, you, you.

00;13;01;19 - 00;13;09;24
Unknown
You. You.

00;13;09;27 - 00;13;13;17
Unknown
Don't.

00;13;13;20 - 00;13;20;15
Unknown
You you.

00;13;20;18 - 00;13;44;21
Unknown
Oh, here's. Here's about body. Until you brought it up, I forgot about it. Here's the every time. Here's a note about that. So in terms of the production of this song, he, they, they finished the first draft of the song and it just wasn't right. So he went to take a walk. And while they were out walking, he said he had the song blasting in the headphones and he heard the street noises.

00;13;44;21 - 00;14;00;17
Unknown
So this is the quote. But the same thing happened to that song. Something was missing. Until one day I was walking down the street listening to it on the Walkman when I heard the street noise coming through the music, a dog barking, a train passing. It sounded fantastic. So I recorded these sound and mix them into the song.

00;14;00;24 - 00;14;21;04
Unknown
So that's why you're so that's why the. And that's why they keep they sound like street sounds. They sound like they're happening around that way. They are. They mix them to is like this echoey if you know, like great. Like I take the earbuds here and then I'm like, oh God damn it. Yeah, yeah, I think that's yeah, I just, I love it.

00;14;21;04 - 00;14;49;08
Unknown
And for me, that that's it. Out of all the songs, this one has such a street feel, and I think that's why they put it in there. The music feels a little more street. There's a little more dance vibes or it's more gritty than all the others. You still have that beautiful like tango in there, but it's grittier and I think I think actually if I didn't have those street noises, it it probably wouldn't sound finished.

00;14;49;08 - 00;15;12;01
Unknown
It wouldn't agree there would be something missing and I wouldn't ever have a clue that it would need to be street noises. So I love that. Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, yeah yeah. All right. So track number eight, Last Tango in Paris, which is a cover of The Last Tango in Paris by Gato Barbieri. what are our thoughts on this one?

00;15;12;04 - 00;15;39;27
Unknown
All right. So I love it because we, it's, it has the most UK grime and dubstep like feel to the beats. It does. It does. Right. So it really it takes me back to, you know, happy times recording with artists like that. But I think for me it's another cover that has totally blown the original away. I know that that's probably just my opinion.

00;15;39;27 - 00;16;02;29
Unknown
I know that's that's, but I just, I when this song transports me to, like, the Riviera, I've never been to Argentina or it would probably transport me there, but to, like, the Riviera sipping on my wine, just watching the world go by and just being like, yeah, life is good. Yeah. No. Agreed. This one has this way.

00;16;02;29 - 00;16;27;01
Unknown
It's so, You're right, it's it has that UK kind of grit to it. it's loungy it's it's it's fun. It's it's. Yeah. You know, it's it's moody and it seems very I would say it seems very sort of nouveau French kind of. Yes. We will lounge. yes. yeah. So yeah. Yeah. I agree very loungy.

00;16;27;01 - 00;16;52;12
Unknown
So when I first listened to the album, this was the track I kept wanting to skip original. Interesting. And it wasn't number two. And somewhere down the line it shifted. And now this one. I think it comes at a perfect time. Again, coming out of the previous track. I do like it better. I went and it's been a long time since I'd heard the original Last Tango in Paris, so I listen to it when preparing for this podcast, and I was like, oh yeah, this one's much better.

00;16;52;14 - 00;18;01;23
Unknown
Like the, the, this one on this album. I'm like, yeah, that original, probably works really well in the movie and for the time and all that fun stuff. Yeah. But I'm like, yeah, as a song that you just listened to as a song, this, this is the one you want to listen to. It's great.

00;18;01;25 - 00;18;26;01
Unknown
So agree with everything. track nine la. The also or the Russian? What do we think, Kate? Okay, so the way the beat starts, the song I love. I just love that it leads you right into the. It's it's almost like, a march. It's a it's almost a full it's actually is a full minute of percussion before any other instrument comes in.

00;18;26;01 - 00;18;54;06
Unknown
It's insane. But for for some reason, usually like my second 30, I would be dropped off. But there is a steady there's a steady crescendo happening in it, and it's. And then you get this like sensual vibe. There's the dubstep, there's just the way, I don't know the way. The whole song then becomes super vibrant and super, super sensual.

00;18;54;06 - 00;19;41;15
Unknown
For me, it just draws me in. The dissonance on this track is just I love it. There's something about the dissonance is almost perfect for me. it really, I don't know that it just melds so well for me.

00;19;41;18 - 00;20;23;11
Unknown
It.

00;20;24;18 - 00;20;48;10
Unknown
I think it's. I think a lot of people probably skip this song because of the beat taking so long to get to, like, the next step, right? But, you know, I think it it progresses enough for me. It progresses quick enough into, like, the next kind of dubstep. Not. And then then to the dissonance and I don't know, I think it, I think it's fantastic.

00;20;48;12 - 00;21;12;24
Unknown
I will agree, I think that one, I think by the time you're this deep into the album, an album that is predominantly instrumental, most people are probably along for the ride at this point. They're not questioning things as much by track nine, like if this track to you might be pushing things like nine, you're sort of like, and they do know, as we've mentioned on a lot of other tracks already, that they know how to build.

00;21;12;26 - 00;21;31;19
Unknown
They know how to layer things in a way that seems so natural, even though, once again, when I would, I would I take like, a midday walk that's like 45 minutes long. And so whenever there's an album that I need to listen to prepare for this, I will do that then and often. That was the first time I looked down.

00;21;31;19 - 00;21;50;15
Unknown
I must have listened to this album 3 or 4 times, and it was maybe the fourth time that I finally was like when the other instruments came in, I was like, how long was that? And I looked down and it was like 101, you know? And I was like, whoa! But you just go, you coast with it. It does have this beautiful build.

00;21;50;15 - 00;22;21;24
Unknown
And I think when I realized that, this title translated as The Russian, that made a lot of sense in that dissonance, because it has that Eastern European feel, you know, there's that a little bit of element of how that beat comes in, and it's different from all the other tracks on the album. So I think that's a great reprieve, especially coming off of Last Tango in Paris, which we just had a bunch of tracks outside of capitalist mode, which were a bit more traditional tango feeling it, and then this one completely different.

00;22;22;13 - 00;22;42;27
Unknown
and we needed that. And whatever is making that little sound effect, I love that it's such a great little, accent to the whole thing that it's just like, I. Yeah, this is this is a great track. I have no idea what makes that what makes I mean, is it an instrument? Is it something that I can't tell?

00;22;42;27 - 00;23;10;19
Unknown
I cannot tell? I think, this song in particular is, is the right song at the right time. And what it does is it makes me a reaffirms my, belief that these guys have a mastery of musical and classical structure. you know, they what they managed to do in this particular song, which is the next to the last song, right?

00;23;10;19 - 00;23;44;24
Unknown
Yeah. Next to last song. What they managed to do in this sort of. Yeah, is, is take you through all the other textures that they've already established in one song and briefly move you through all the movements, sort of many of the themes and sort of give you one almost. It's not quite a coda, but it is sort of a, a reframing, a sort of, a reorganization of all the textures that they've kind of pulled you through in this song.

00;23;44;24 - 00;24;03;24
Unknown
And that's, I think, where the dissonance comes from. I think that's where the, what's my note here was to note, yeah. It's the reason it feels like your ear can never get quite a hold on the song, at least for me. Which is, again, what I enjoy. it's the best use of these blended sort of styles.

00;24;03;24 - 00;24;26;04
Unknown
It is the exact opposite of pop music, in my opinion. The song. Yeah. And, I appreciate it immensely because they are taking you on a ride and before they land the plane, they. It seems as if they, they felt the need to kind of, not give you an overview, but give you in the same way the first song was sort of the Amuse Bush.

00;24;26;06 - 00;24;47;14
Unknown
They're giving you sort of a, a, what would be the culinary, parallel to this? I can't think of it anyway, sort of a tasting pop platter, a reconnection to everything they've given you throughout the song. And before they land this sort of, the plane again, I mixed the hell out of metaphors here.

00;24;47;14 - 00;25;09;21
Unknown
That's that's, part of the fun. no, I love that. I love it, but, I do think this is is my second favorite song. peace movement. I can call it a song. Second is, I can favorite movement, in this larger work, an entire album. So. Yeah. And I, I like this song immensely. I can see that.

00;25;09;21 - 00;25;28;24
Unknown
I mean, I had this, I think for a long time was my favorite on the album, and I think I've slowly changed a little bit. But yeah, I mean, this song kind of just brings it all home. Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a really I think they, they did something that, I couldn't imagine doing as a musician.

00;25;28;24 - 00;25;47;08
Unknown
Right. You know, getting it right. So. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And now we'll talk about, the official final track on the album that closes out the album, though there is one bonus track that we will talk about as well, that has come out since, but for the official final track, well, though elsewhere I return to the South.

00;25;47;08 - 00;26;10;09
Unknown
This is the second part of that first single that they put out. Actually, the first part of that first single that they put out, but now it's closing the album. this is a cover of an Astor Piazzolla who's another bandoneon player song. first half of the Enya, first half of that single. So, Kate, how what do you think of this as a song itself and as a closer?

00;26;10;12 - 00;26;33;26
Unknown
Okay, as a song itself? I think it's really interesting. I get why they did it. and it's a nod to, I mean, the most famous Argentinian tango artist. So I love that they did that. it's interesting because it's not my favorite song on the album, but I get why they use it as a closer. it kind of brings everything together.

00;26;33;26 - 00;26;57;19
Unknown
You've got a lot of you almost got some pop kind of hints in it, which is weird because I'm not a super pop fan, but I love I like it and you. So you get the jazz, you get the tango, you get the you get the nods to the dubstep and the electronic music. But I think what makes it a whole for me is, the vocals.

00;26;57;19 - 00;27;19;03
Unknown
I think they're haunting and I don't know, there's something that if I go back to the first song and where, where are my notes on the first song, like where you got that, like independence, the piece, the you know, you're there's there's a reason you're about to listen. There's they're trying to say something, but they're also not taking a stand.

00;27;19;05 - 00;27;33;17
Unknown
Her voice, her voice closing it out, and that hauntingly beautiful way. I think it's enough. It's like you just. That's okay. You can end right there. You don't need any more.

00;27;33;20 - 00;27;39;01
Unknown
Left. To.

00;27;39;03 - 00;27;48;11
Unknown
Always listen less you to the music with this here and then I'm.

00;27;48;14 - 00;27;59;01
Unknown
Simple as opposed fitting the sequence itself. For me, the more.

00;27;59;03 - 00;28;22;09
Unknown
The. Deeper. Home. There's been no little. Put a song too deep. Sorry. This. Side is better, but a little.

00;28;22;11 - 00;28;28;05
Unknown
Too much.

00;28;28;07 - 00;29;02;05
Unknown
Dallas. Yeah. I think this particular song it to my ear, it starts the most traditionally tango. it begins the most traditionally tango. And the song itself, the poetry of a song is about returning to the south, or going south and, you know, you could take that literally. Meaning going to the southern region of, Argentina, where a lot of, the sort of tango culture can be found, or even more metaphorically, you know, going from France south to Argentina, right?

00;29;02;12 - 00;29;31;23
Unknown
Or, you know, and, I think it is kind of just the perfect, soft landing, actually, for. Yes, little extra virgin that they've taken us on. I think it's the perfect little soft landing. I think it is such a gentle ending that half the time when the music just stops playing, you're a little surprised. You know, you're you're just sort of like waiting for the next track to come on and then it doesn't.

00;29;31;23 - 00;29;51;04
Unknown
Or it's, you know, if you're on, streamer, it suddenly jumps to some radio thing and you're like, wait, what? Well, like, that was it that it's over. so I, I do think as a closer, I really I prefer the next bonus track we're going to talk about as, as a finale if we're going to think of The Closer as a finale.

00;29;51;19 - 00;30;12;01
Unknown
but in terms of a gentle closing, you could see it this being two gentle like, almost to a fault because you don't expect it to end. But on the other hand, any closure that just makes you want the album to go again, right where you're just sort of like, loop it, loop that shit, don't let it end, you know?

00;30;12;02 - 00;30;32;27
Unknown
It's like I'm ready for it again. Like I don't want it to stop. That is that's a success in its own right that most closers do not give you. You're usually ready to to. Yeah, take a break and do something else. Once an album closer, if you've just listened to an entire album straight through and this is one that you could have on a loop, repeat ad nauseum.

00;30;32;27 - 00;31;06;14
Unknown
And I don't even know how long it would take for me to actually want to stop it. But let's talk about there has been, the 20th anniversary edition that was recently released, did add one bonus track that was part of the original recordings for this album. So it's not a brand new song per se, but diciembre, el dose mil Uno or 2001, which was recorded in December 2001 during the original sessions and during, as Dallas pointed out at the very beginning, there was a big tumult going on in Argentina at the time.

00;31;06;14 - 00;31;35;28
Unknown
So it is about that. it was reworked a little bit from that original recording to pay a triple tribute. this is a tribute to the 20th anniversary of the record, of course, to the December 2001 riots in Argentina or the Argentina's. So, this was that thing where I don't pretend to know the big details, but there were issues going on with the banks in Argentina, and the government actually stopped people from being able to withdraw their funds from banks.

00;31;35;28 - 00;31;59;16
Unknown
And this call, I mean, that you want people to riot. You say the money that they put into a government backed, you know, institution, they're like, and you can't take it out. You have to leave it in there. Yeah. Go ahead. so and then also to the memory of Fernando Pino Solanas, the Argentinian filmmaker, composer and politician who passed away in 2019, in France due to Covid.

00;31;59;29 - 00;32;19;00
Unknown
so they released this all together as a tribute. And this was a composer who worked with the two of the musicians on this album very frequently. So they knew him. They were friends. He apparently was this really great guy, a great politician. He was an ambassador to Argentina, out in France, for the UN at the time of his passing.

00;32;19;06 - 00;32;40;21
Unknown
So he was very well, admired, very well respected. And so this wound up being a tribute to all of them. And this is a track that has in its background this sort of like, you know, chanting and like, you know, for like, power to the people chanting down with the whatever it is that's happening. I think they are chants that were happening during those 2001 riots.

00;32;40;21 - 00;33;00;02
Unknown
I think that's what yeah. what is going on in this track? But as a pumping, powerful ending, this does the trick. it is definitely a like, one last time. Power to the people. Power to the everything that is the people. Here we go. And it's not even a long track. It's about three minutes. And change.

00;33;00;02 - 00;33;24;10
Unknown
I think at most.

00;33;24;13 - 00;33;32;15
Unknown
It's.

00;33;32;18 - 00;33;51;00
Unknown
Three.

00;33;51;02 - 00;34;22;25
Unknown
Oh. Oh. So. Yeah. Kate, what do you think of this as a bonus? new gender. So I like it as a bonus. However, I don't like it as a closer. Like, I don't think it's the right one because I if for me, if it was kind of more near, like el capitalism mo that song, I think I would, I would appreciate it better because it almost hypes you up too much to end and and, I don't know, because I really like the song.

00;34;22;25 - 00;34;42;13
Unknown
I just feel like the placement for me adding as a bonus, I don't want to end there, I want to, I want it to be somewhere else. And I really like ending on other of the, puzzle, cover. So I think that if it if it were me, I would actually put this as a new number two track after that very gentle opening.

00;34;42;13 - 00;34;59;22
Unknown
Yeah. Give us a little pump and then you get that. I'm going to época. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the vocals. And then so I think that might ebb and flow better. Okay. Just off the top of my head I think I'll have to like make a playlist like, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. Do that out. Yeah. Dallas, your thoughts on this bonus track?

00;34;59;22 - 00;35;44;12
Unknown
This bonus track. Okay, so the album, with its original, and I think is perfectly orchestrated as a work of music, as a work of art. I think if I wanted this album to veer into the territory of political statements, I think this bonus track as the final number would be perfect for a sort of, as an actionable moment, because it does have that big gap.

00;35;44;13 - 00;36;09;04
Unknown
Remember, we're talking about what's happening in Argentina, what's happening in Argentina now, what's happening, what happened in Argentina 20 years ago, almost 20 years ago. You know, it is sort of a call not to arms, but a call to action. And I think, you know, simply adding this song at the end of this record, remember, you know, these guys have notoriously gone on record and had to go on record for years to say, look, this isn't a battle cry, this war cry, guys.

00;36;09;07 - 00;36;34;03
Unknown
And I think the reason here's a literal battle cry, right? Yeah. Because he's recorded it. Right. I think the reason they had to defend that is because it really does feel like it's going in that direction with the themes, with this sort of sonic structure, with everything that's in this album. So adding this new punctuation, I think, just drives that home in a big way.

00;36;34;15 - 00;37;01;24
Unknown
so yeah, I'm of two minds. I think the original, if I'm taking it purely on the music musical, kind of, sort of expression, it's perfect. But if I want to get the people roused and ready to go and, I would add this, this, this bonus track. Yeah. Cool. All right, folks, that is gotten projects 2001 Laura venture del tango.

00;37;02;20 - 00;37;26;12
Unknown
Kate, it is time for the wine pairings on this bad boy. So let's start with you. What do you pair with this album that you love? Okay, I actually have it with me to show you guys. Oh, so we've got. And I'm probably going to screw up the Portuguese dictionary. That's that's virtual. This. It's this virtual spot.

00;37;26;15 - 00;37;57;00
Unknown
Yep. it's by fully which they're based in the vino vered. They're based, in the Ponta Lima area. So it's north of Braga. Anyways, I picked this for a couple of reasons. obviously. Portugal. Hello. vino mare, one of my favorite regions. I think. Nothing less. Hahaha. so this is the word actually translates to distorted or misrepresented.

00;37;57;02 - 00;38;23;21
Unknown
So I kind of there's there's another reason also I picked this, but it kind of goes with this because this album is distorted tango in a way. You know, it's it's got the dissonance. It's it kind of goes against what, what the, what the normal perception of tango should be. And I love that. So it's almost like it missed to to tie it and it misrepresented, you know what tango was.

00;38;23;21 - 00;38;55;01
Unknown
But I love that it broke it down and it added it to so much more. And then this wine is the Lauro grape, which is native to Portugal. And it's l o u r e I r o. So, but so typically this is a grape that goes into your effervescence, vino varied wines that you've, you know, you, you the easy drinking, no, no frills, great summer summer drink.

00;38;55;04 - 00;39;20;14
Unknown
However, it's also made into single varietal wines that are fantastic, but it is typically not aged. And I picked this wine because it is aged. it's 50% in the barrel, 50% and stainless steel, and it saw it was aged on its lees for 12 months. So that is totally not done with this great by a lot of people.

00;39;20;29 - 00;39;41;27
Unknown
which I thought just made it even better to pick for this because, you know, you gotta you gotta get away from the norm and away from the status quo. It just, it it really it felt like the right wine to have like, to pair with this album. So yeah, thematically, it's so on point. and I agree with you like wine wise too.

00;39;41;27 - 00;40;01;01
Unknown
It's like, yeah, come on guys, experiment. Try. Yeah. You don't just like, have you tried this with this grape before? It's like, so try something, see what happens. Exactly like it's a lot of money to waste, but it is a lot of money to waste. But, you know, to just keep repeating the process that's not innovative. And that's not going to bring new wine drinkers in.

00;40;01;04 - 00;40;34;18
Unknown
And the future of wine needs to attract the younger generations. And you gotta try. Yeah. So yeah, I think that's that this wine just did it for me for this album. So yeah. All right. You got a full. All right Dallas, what do you got? All right, so, you know, I like to dig into the compare and contrast kind of thing when it comes to music pairings, mostly because there's just so much and, when something is particularly, complex.

00;40;35;02 - 00;40;59;26
Unknown
I like to counter that with something that is, a bit more straightforward. so my wine choice is probably going to be fairly, the varietals probably going to be fairly predictable. and I'm pretty sure Dave probably chose to see if I know they if I know they he chose. We have the same reason. I'll just save that.

00;41;00;19 - 00;41;32;20
Unknown
and I did I tried it, I try, try, try to pair this with, three other varietals. and it just didn't work. I. Had to say this without sounding like an absolute asshole. I was probably. No way. no. Go for it. just say it. I wanted something really accessible because I don't think this album is really accessible.

00;41;32;22 - 00;41;50;24
Unknown
It is. I think you're right. For every year it is not for every palate it can be. you know, upper and secondary or if you're kind of, you know, Yeah. Listens. Dave. You froze with that face. Yeah. Dave did not agree on that. Yeah. I like a challenge that, No, I do think, very accessible.

00;41;50;24 - 00;42;16;02
Unknown
It really isn't. I think there are accessible vocal and I think there are, you know, once you do once. And that was Dallas's version of debate. Right. but, so, so in terms of the pairing, I definitely wanted to, if I were recommending this album to someone to say, go home, have a little listening party on your couch, turn off all the distractions.

00;42;17;02 - 00;42;41;06
Unknown
see if you can get through this bottle of wine. It would be a malbec, of course. simply because I think the grape itself is really accessible. For those who don't know, the Malbec, has its origins in France, of course. generally around the Cahors. in the late 1800s, the Malbec grape found its new life in Argentina.

00;42;41;06 - 00;43;04;12
Unknown
And, you know, there are very, much of the culture says that Argentina saved, Malbec and, you know, it it that that can really make a delicious Malbec. But it's true. And nowhere else really does the same. Right. So they did. Exactly. Yeah. So it really kind of did. but I decided to go with. Of course.

00;43;04;13 - 00;43;42;00
Unknown
Amen. Dosen. Malbec. And if you guys don't know, Mendoza is the workhorse. It is the core of the Malbec region. I think, like 80% of, Malbec out of the region come from Mendoza. UCO Valley as well. The the value. Exactly. so, yeah, I went with this Vasco Viejo, and I've actually, I've actually used a different vintage for a previous, pairing in our legacy show, but this is the Vasco Viejo, EDC on vintage, Malbec from a Lopez bodega.

00;43;42;00 - 00;44;13;02
Unknown
Bodegas, Lopez, it is really wonderfully drinkable. This is a 2020, it is the kind of thing that really just it's not neutral. Like I said, the tannic structure is medium, so it's there. It requires a little kind of, background focus as it opens up. You get the jammy. So that's pleasant. That's the sweet sort of parallel component.

00;44;13;02 - 00;44;38;26
Unknown
You get the coffee, you get, you know, all those things that kind of just give you, a baseline for, this album. And it allows the album to be the kind of sensory star of this pairing. So that, my friends, is my quote unquote, and those pairing. I love it. Now, Dave, tell us what your Malbec is.

00;44;39;02 - 00;45;02;24
Unknown
I know I, I know, I'm like, I knew you guys were going to go. One of you were at least going to go one hour back. So I was not. But I think it and so I did a while to get back to the Malbec I will say three other okay, okay. Right. All right. I was going to say, I do think honestly that, the one alternative to Malbec that I think would work really well with this album that's a red from Argentina is Cabernet Franc.

00;45;03;05 - 00;45;23;24
Unknown
yeah. Is the one I would go with because it's got that it's a little lighter on its feet and it's got that bit more savoriness a bit, a bit more of a bite to it, which I think you need with this music. So for me, I thought about Cabernet Franc, but, there was a version of Malbec that I decided was even more perfect.

00;45;23;29 - 00;45;50;25
Unknown
So I actually, I'm going to contest Alex. I think this album is accessible as fuck. I think it is. I think there is a reason that it has done as well. And there there, second and third album didn't even go over quite to the level that this first one did. I mean, they've been they've done well, they've been popular, especially to the fans of the first album, but the first album continues to just make converts of people when they listen to it.

00;45;50;25 - 00;46;10;29
Unknown
I agree that on paper, this does not sound like an accessible album. Oh yeah, exactly right. If you go to someone and you're like, would you like to listen to an hour of Electronic Tango? They're going to say dissonant, right? That's right. That's being accessible. It is at the site on it's on the page. Exactly. Yeah. Right. Right.

00;46;10;29 - 00;46;31;13
Unknown
So if you if you ask someone like, we're having a party, what do you want the playlist to be? No one's going to agree to Electronic Tango. So but if you listen to the album, like the moment you hear that first song, it worms its way into your head and I'm I'm not into this style. I would not say that I was into this style of music.

00;46;31;17 - 00;46;55;03
Unknown
So on paper, I'm not the audience. I'm not that person. and yet this album. God, yes. so I think the music itself, if I'm pairing for the music, if you're listening to it, I have to say it's accessible. I have to say so in a way, easy drinking. I thought about whites. because there's also an element or even rosés because there's an element of the music here.

00;46;55;03 - 00;47;08;03
Unknown
It is light on its feet. You do have to. I want to be on my feet. I want to be moving just a little bit. You know, you gotta do a little shake, a shake while you're doing it. You want to be almost active while you're listening to this music. So you want to be cooking. You want to be working.

00;47;08;03 - 00;47;25;21
Unknown
You want to be walking. You have to like, be doing something. It's hard to sit still. Well, listening to that, like completely still. Well, so there's this. There is this freshness, this youth, this vigor to the music. And then, of course, I did go with them all back. But and I did go with Mendoza, I did go with UCO Valley.

00;47;25;23 - 00;47;46;09
Unknown
But, I wanted something that could somehow replicate that buoyancy to the music and that youthful anise and that vigor. I needed something that, you know, Malbec for. And the reason I even went with Malbec over Cab Franc, I think, is Malbec does have that spiciness to it in a lot of, in a lot of its final.

00;47;46;14 - 00;48;11;15
Unknown
And so you have that, you know, that very authentic and of course, Malbec. It's a French grape from in in Argentina. I'm like, it's perfect. I just I can't get away from it. So what I found, the one I chose is Aizu Carti Concreto concrete aged Malbec, aged from 2021. And this is it is whole cluster fermentation and concrete aged.

00;48;11;15 - 00;48;34;20
Unknown
And this is no no epoxy, no coating on the inside of the out there. It is pure, unblemished stone that it is being aged in in just pure concrete aged. So it is, according to the winemaker, that it's like it is a pure expression of this grape from this place. it's calcareous soils. It's the Altamira, location.

00;48;35;01 - 00;49;02;12
Unknown
Ducati family are very old and well established. They're the grandfather. They were developers first, a land developers. So the grandfather actually brought some of the most modern irrigation systems into the valley back in the day, before they started tending vineyards. And they do olive groves, too. So they do olive oil and they do wine. And to this day, they will still bring the workers to the edge of the desert, where that irrigation stops and kind of show them that delineation.

00;49;02;12 - 00;49;23;13
Unknown
They're like, this is why life is what it is in this valley is because of the irrigation. And just so you remember, that's what it was before out there. So this is what your life is here because of this agriculture, because of the development, because of what we do here. so I, you know, they've been they planted their first vineyards in 1963.

00;49;23;15 - 00;49;44;24
Unknown
And then the concrete aging on this Malbec, and this one is a 2021, which I think was an exceptionally good year for them because I've seen the feedback from, both 2020 and 2022. And a lot of people are like, yeah, they're good. But the 2021, holy shit. they didn't do anything differently either. It's just the vintage variation.

00;49;44;24 - 00;49;58;12
Unknown
It's just what nature gave them that year. but it is. This was one of I drank it all last week. So this is an empty bottle. because I opened it to prepare. We were supposed to record this last week, so I'm like, well, I'm finishing the, like, I can't it's not going to last till next week, so it's gone.

00;49;58;12 - 00;50;21;18
Unknown
But I mean, this was I bought this for 30 bucks, from Carnell Wines here in L.A. And, you can find it. It does retail sometimes as high as 45 I've seen out there. Like between 35 to 45. But, if you in generally some places we'll do 30 to 35. And for that price, this is a frickin insane bottle of wine.

00;50;21;18 - 00;50;47;26
Unknown
It's really good. The tannins are there, but they're very silky. They're very sexy in that way. Like just you've got that in the same way, that saltiness of the music here, that you have this incredible acidity. I mean, this is a you're slurping it back up in between every sip. It's like you've got that sparkle, you've got the, it keeps the wine feeling is dark and it is dark purple.

00;50;47;26 - 00;51;05;18
Unknown
It's crazy dark purple. And yet there is something. It's got this ruby rim though from that acidity. It's got this red tinge to it and it just stays so it tastes so light on its feet. you get this sort of like you've got the black currants and blackberry and all that kind of fun, dark, deep purple fruit.

00;51;05;24 - 00;51;23;09
Unknown
But then also this, like savoriness, this little bit of lavender, these like green herbs on it. And it just makes it I mean, it's festive. It is a festival in a glass. And it I think when I found that there was a concrete aged Malbec that I could go for, in this way, I, I had to try that.

00;51;23;09 - 00;51;41;16
Unknown
And yeah, I listened to the whole album while drinking this bottle and I'm like, yes, this is the way to go. I do think you need something a little spray, something a little springy, no matter what you do with this album because of its energy. so yeah, I went with Malbec, but I think The Concrete Aged takes it that next level to, to match.

00;51;41;20 - 00;51;59;16
Unknown
what's going on? Good choice. I love that you both chose them all back, and that was definitely a contender. But I had to go for a white because, you know what? I always listen to this album. I feel like I want to be in a courtyard somewhere outside. So for me, I like, needed, you know, I just needed that white wine.

00;51;59;18 - 00;52;21;12
Unknown
Oh, nice. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, I just, I don't know, I think all of the wines pair pair perfectly. I think it's what mood you're in. That's right. If I think, you know, if you want to go a little darker and, you know, I get part of that, like sultry dark or dissonance. Yeah. flavorful, spicy red.

00;52;21;12 - 00;52;41;13
Unknown
But then, like, if you want to bring it a little lighter. Yeah, yeah. This and I think this almost covers just about every note you could imagine. Honestly. Totally good. Right? Right. Jonathan style totally used. Right. So, yeah, I was going to say for me, the the electronic side too gives a little heaviness. It gives that weight of the beat.

00;52;41;13 - 00;53;00;05
Unknown
And. Yeah. And so I think that's why I veered towards red in the ultimate end is I wanted that extra weight. Not to say you can't get weight in a white, it's just easier to find that way. It's interesting. It's interesting you said that because that's why I went with, one that has a long arrow that has been aged and then sat on a please.

00;53;00;05 - 00;53;16;09
Unknown
So you have that complexity that if I just had a regular Laura. Well, it wouldn't have paired really at all. So. Yeah. Right. I love that would have been nice. But not right. It would have been. Yeah, totally. That would not have gone. It wouldn't. Yeah. It didn't, it wouldn't have the body. This one has a little more body.

00;53;16;09 - 00;53;34;24
Unknown
It's more like a medium minus. But you know you have that viscosity. It's it's it's got a little oily minerality. So you it's not just. All right. This is a basic white wine. Not just a pleasant white. Yeah. Right. Right, right, right, right. yeah. Fantastic. All right. Good stuff. Well, this has been. Yes. Thank you so much.

00;53;34;24 - 00;53;56;20
Unknown
This has been Kate. Rachelle. Kate we know survives on wine.substack.com. Anywhere else people can follow you or find you, you can follow me on Instagram. As survives on wine. I try to be active. Not. But Substack is where I. Where I really am. So that's a good place to find me. Good deal. Yeah. Perfect. It was so nice.

00;53;56;20 - 00;54;14;12
Unknown
Thank you guys so much for this. This is a blast for joining us. This is a we're in a little corner of the world and we I love it. You all right? Thank you for listening, everybody. Once again, this has been wine. And we will be back next week for another wine and entertainment pairing or for your entertainment.

00;54;14;15 - 00;54;22;01
Unknown
Bye bye for now. Ciao, ciao. Bye.