Wine and...Music - EMOTION by Carly Rae Jepsen (2015) with Mark Palermo

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Today's guest is screenwriter MARK PALERMO (Detention), who also hosts his own excellent movie-themed podcast, MOVIES AND CHAOS.

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MARK'S CHOICE: Mark has been a longtime fan of Carly Rae Jepsen, and it all began with her album EMOTION (2015). We talk Carly's history leading up to the production and release of the album, then discuss it track-by-track. We also touch upon the SIDE B EP in the UNCUT version of the ep on our Substack.

THE WINES (and Not-Wines)
Dave's Wine:
Henri Champliau - Cremant de Bourgogne Rose NV
Proper "cremant" champagne style bubbly from Bourgogne (aka Burgundy.) Yeasty, croissant flavors of champagne mixed with gentle red fruit flavors of strawberry and raspberry. Effervescent, but still soft and approachable.
TECH SHEET

Dallas' Not-Wine:
1857 Estate Potato Vodka (Barrel Whiskey)
Whiskey-adjacent, barreled in virgin American white oak from the Adirondacks with medium char. Smokiness with butter pecan and slated caramel. Technically a whiskey but they can't call it that. Long and succulent with insane toasty notes.

Mark's Not-Wine:
Crush Cream Soda (red)
Cocktail recipes with Cream Soda
Only available in Canada - sorry, non-Canadians! (Though just go buy normal cream soda, it tastes the same, give or take.)  The sweet, creamy, semi-adult flavors of cream soda with a pop of bright red color. Add alcohol as desired.

Chapters

• 2:28 Special Guest: Screenwriter Mark Palermo!
• 3:54 Why this album? (Our respective histories with it.)
• 15:01 History of CRJ leading up to the creation of this album
• 23:08 Run Away With Me
• 28:17 Emotion (song)
• 31:33 I Really Like You
• 38:16 Gimme Love
• 40:25 All That
• 44:24 Boy Problems
• 47:27 Making the Most of the Night
• 52:01 Your Type
• 55:22 Let's Get Lost
• 57:52 LA Hallucinations
• 1:00:18 Warm Blood
• 1:04:00 When I Needed You
• 1:05:42 Black Heart
• 1:09:06 I Didn't Just Come Here to Dance
• 1:10:03 Favourite Colour
• 1:11:49 False Wrap-Up (What the Hell am I Doing?!?)
• 1:13:47 Dallas' Non-Wine Pairing
• 1:18:28 Dave's Wine Pairing
• 1:22:00 Mark's Non-Wine Pairing
• 1:22:46 Okay, for Reals, the Actual Wrap-up

Transcript

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But check it out either way. Today we are joined by special guest, screenwriter and podcaster, someone I have known for a long time, and it is absurd that we have never spoken looking at each other in the face until today. I think it's been about 12 maybe, ten plus years that we haven't been online friends. But this is the first day we are going to be talking like this.

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This is screenwriter and podcaster Mark Palermo, writer of the genre mashup teen horror sci fi rom com detention, one of my favorite films of all times. Seriously, in my top five films of all time, if you have not seen it and not not enough people have seen it, not enough people have heard of it. You need to turn on your Roku, your Amazon Fire, your Apple, whatever it is.

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I don't have any Apple products. Whatever they call their thing, turn it on. Go find where detention is. Stream that bad boy, rent it. It's worth the money if you have to rent it. Buy it once you watched it once because you will want to buy it and take a look at that. Mark also co-hosts, the podcast Movies and Chaos with this co-host Serena Whitney.

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that is movies and chaos. go check that out on the streaming platforms as well. Find that podcast. It is well worth your time anyway. Mark, welcome to Wine and

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thank you very much for having me. Well, that was super nice. yeah, it's nice to meet you in sort of person today. And nice to meet you too, Dallas.

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You as well. So, Mark, you chose today, the album that we are going to be covering, which is Carly Rae Jepsen's Emotion. why did you pick this album? Let me know that. And, what is your history with the album? I picked this album because although it is like a critically acclaimed album, it's one the was not a commercial hit.

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it has sustained its reputation over the nine years since it's been released. It's kind of what I believe about it, that it is the Bible of contemporary pop music.

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until something else replaces it. And it's not to say that I don't I do think certain aspects of the album

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do sound nine years old, but I still feel like its influence is, kind of under the radar, and unparalleled in a lot of ways.

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You know, you mentioned that and it, listening to the album, real quick, it instantly reminded me of what Madonna's first big hit, I think holiday did. It kind of influenced everything that came after it for about 5 or 6 years, maybe even a decade, except for the R&B stuff and but yeah, I, I totally hear that to 100%.

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I it's, it's sort of the Bible, the kind of blueprint for a lot of the pop that's just kind of come out in the past decade. So yeah, definitely agree with that. Yeah. No, I would cosign that for sure. Yeah, yeah. And Mark, what what, was this your first like, when did you get into Carly Rae Jepsen?

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I know she's Canadian. You're Canadian. Was were you interested or just aware of her before? But this was your gateway album really into being a fan of hers or were you a fan already? Well, so Carly Rae Jepsen was on. She was a contestant on Canadian Idol, which is what it sounds like. It was the Canadian American Idol.

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I think she came in third place that season, but I didn't watch the show and I never I never heard of her until the summer of 2012 when, call me maybe it was everywhere and my feeling at that time was, like, although

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I like pop music, I didn't, I haven't I hadn't liked pop music in a long time.

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And, I remember just hearing that song and then being like, this is pretty good. This is kind of like, it's annoying and it's catchy, but it's kind of what I feel pop music is supposed to be. It's perfectly pop. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. And so I knew that she had some connection to Justin Bieber or something. And when that emotion came out,

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I don't know.

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I think I saw some someone saying it was a good album. I remember I put it on one night as I was cleaning my bathroom. That's the first time I heard it, and I immediately like, liked it.

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But then I kind of listened to it throughout the weekend, like became obsessed with it. So that was kind of my my intro to that.

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I wasn't a big fan of hers. And in 2015. Yeah. All right. I will say I'm going to piggyback on that real quick, and then we'll move over to you. Dallas. But I basically echo all of Mark's statements I knew of. Call me maybe I had heard it, on the radio. It was a huge hit. I believe Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez both basically, shared it to their followers, which is one of the reasons why it just, like, exploded, out the gate.

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And then I believe Carly Rae was even, Justin Bieber introduced her to his producer or manager. I forget which one. but it was like it really started to catapult her career. We're going to get into a little bit of context of that in just a minute before we get into the album proper, but for me too, I knew of Call Me Maybe totally not my thing, but I agree with Mark.

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It isn't earworm. It is beyond catchy. I don't even think she's made and is something that heavily earworm. It's about. Call me maybe it's almost impossible. There's one song I think is a contender for maybe being more earworm, even Call Me Maybe that she's made sense and it's not on the emotion album, so we won't be talking about that today, but maybe I'll mention it in passing.

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but it is. But Call Me Maybe is. It was a phenomenon for good reason. but for me, I know emotion was an album that commercially, especially coming off of the album that Call Me Maybe was on was a disappointment. Like it did not come out the gate like gangbusters. It was a slow burn. but it was word of mouth that really sort of got her got this album going, and that's exactly how I discovered it.

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People were just mentioning it and saying how interesting. And what she was doing was a true departure from the previous album that she had done, where it was all pop gum, bubble gum, candied pop, to where I was like, yeah, it's a little tune. 2 to 220 I need, I need something just a teeny bit more adult to really be able to get into it.

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And then, I was like, okay, everyone's talking about the music critics were talking about it. Then people on social media, we're talking about it. I turned it on. And I've never looked back with Carly Rae since then. So, Dallas, how about you? Any any history with this album or Carly Rae in, tangentially? So, fun fact, I remember when this song came out because I unfortunately have one of those, brains where earworms just caused a massive amount of destruction to the point where I get violent when the song pops into my head, particularly if it's a song I don't like.

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and I didn't, I hey, I just abhorred that song, mostly because it was so goddamn ubiquitous and it was just everywhere. but fun fact. at the time, a friend of mine, who was producing music, he and I went and met with one of the producers of that song specifically because, he and I had questions about the very, you know, about sort of, the sort of mechanisms of making a song go viral, like we wanted to know specifically, what were you attempting to do with this song?

00;10;05;02 - 00;10;17;01
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What about this made it so earworm me and so, so viral and annoying. And essentially that was the response. It was like, it's this cross-section of annoying,

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but needing to sing the hook in order to exercise the demon of the hook. Right? Like I said, there was no deep emotional investment. It's the kind of song you might put on when you're getting ready to go out and have a drink with the girls or the boys.

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It's all fun. There's no real, you know, serious kind of undertones. It's fun. Well, to to be fair, Dallas, I, I'm gonna I'm going to push back on the no serious undertone just a little bit because I think that one of the reasons the song also took off is it is kind of a conversation with yourself that you have when you're taking a leap of faith, like giving someone your number and then walking away, you know, you're just like, here you go, call me maybe.

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And the whole song is heard. Just having that. Some of it is spoken out loud, kind of, but it's all sort of what's going through your head to convince yourself to do that and walk away and let fate take its course from there. And so there's a little bit, and especially for teenagers, like I'm like, that's your and young 20 somethings, I'm like, that's dating.

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That's your life. and this will speak for me. You know, this was pre social media for the most part. It was just getting started around this. I think for the most part, yeah. You're definitely you're not wrong. But I will say the way she delivers that in that flippant kind of it really doesn't matter. That's the core.

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It's like it really doesn't matter. Even though you're you're kind of stepping out. It doesn't matter if she's saying call me maybe. No. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. But just say to convince yourself, hey, I just met you and this is crazy. Here's my number. Call me maybe. Okay, well, one thing we're not. We're actually not here to talk about.

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Call me maybe. So let's not get too deep into this one. Into the weeds on this one song. But it's what you what she's saying and call me. Maybe it's what you tell yourself to try not to dwell like you. Give someone your number. You're going to dwell on that for a couple of days at least, or maybe even a week or a couple of weeks waiting to see.

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Will they ever call you it? It does mean something to you, but you're going to tell yourself it doesn't as best you can. That's your internal dialog. But anyone who's done that before is going to know what the actual emotion is. And I will also say that to Carly Rae Jepsen's. It's one of her quirks as a songwriter that she often talks about things.

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It should probably not be as upbeat and poppy as it sounds, but she always puts it too upbeat and poppy, sounding. In fact, one of the songs we're going to talk about today, like Warm Blood, is actually kind of a weirdly like, you're in a good place, you're in a happy place, and yet it sounds eerie as fuck and it's like, wait, why does why is the happy song sound unhappy?

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And all the unhappy songs sound happy? She loves to do that. I think in general is to always have it sound a little different than what is actually going on. But, anyway, I don't know if you want to say anything in return to that. I mean, it just. Oh, sorry. Okay. Just briefly, piggyback off what you guys just said.

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so, you know, we don't want to stay on call me maybe forever, but I do feel that, that song, like a lot of Carly Rae Jepsen's music, is, and of the realm of kind of teen movie conventions and rom com conventions. And that song really kind of expresses the sort of teenage insecurity around romance really well.

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I'll also say there's one, you know, for, for us, late and frivolous of a song as it is.

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before you came into my life, I Missed You so Bad is a brilliant line. yeah. Yeah, that's a good. Yeah. That is, I will say one one last thing. not not about call me maybe, but as an extension of the album, they call me maybe as well.

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her music always. Whatever. I hear it, particularly listening to this album, all the way through, it feels like

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the soundtrack for some.

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John Hughes. Right. film like, it just it fits so well into that. It's like John Hughes core, you know, it's it's just, it's I think about that respect. I agree with that. And think about how dark a lot of the subject matter in John Hughes films actually is compared to how he presents it in this.

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Like, you know, we're all just having a free will and kind of finding ourselves good time when like these kids home lives and like some of the things they have to encounter, like in Saint Elmo's Fire, it's like, you know, these are these are pretty heady topics, especially for the day. So. Yeah. oh, and by the way, Dallas, you didn't quite answer the question.

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Was this the first time you had ever listened to the album? Oh, God, yes. Okay. all right. So to get this, conversation started, let's give a little context. We did a little bit with Call Me Maybe, but let's actually see where Carly Rae was coming from when she started making this album. so a few things we want to mention upfront.

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So her very first album was not released internationally. It was only ever released in the, so this is one of the reasons why, I had never heard of her before. Call me maybe why most people had never heard of her before. Call me maybe. Mark, I don't know what your excuse was. She was in Canada. so you probably, probably should have heard something, but it was not a major commercial success.

00;15;36;00 - 00;15;54;20
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Her second album officially was Kiss The. The album we all know is the album They Call Me Maybe came from. She next made, a full length album that was called curiosity, and it was set to be a full album. It even had all the tracks listed on iTunes with all the previews, like the little 32nd previews and everything.

00;15;54;20 - 00;16;15;14
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And then at the last minute, the label pulled half the album and turned it into an EP. so curiosity does exist as an EP, but not as a full album. However, Call Me Maybe is on that EP that came out before the kiss album. Now, the reason they pulled it as a full album was Call Me Maybe's success.

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So, Call Me Maybe had been released as a single and, you know, as we mentioned, Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez all shared it. it became a mega hit. It is still, to this day, one of the best selling singles of all time, selling over 18 million physical copies. Yeah, maybe digital as well, but people bought it. It sold 18 million copies as a single.

00;16;42;05 - 00;17;03;21
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And basically what the, the curiosity full length album was not nearly as much in the Call Me maybe strain of sound. It was still a folksy like her first album were more leaning towards that. In fact, Call Me Maybe was written to be more of a folk song. And then another, another co-writer, another producer came on and was like, you know what?

00;17;03;22 - 00;17;24;23
Unknown
We can really pop ify this did did so. And then that has always been how it's been released. Was that extra Uber poppy version, but it was so big that the record label was like, look, we want you to do another album. We're gonna we're going to set you up with all these different collaborators that are all you know, big pop stars of this time bubblegum pop stars, tween pop stars.

00;17;24;27 - 00;17;48;02
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We want the whole album to sound like Call Me Maybe. And they recorded in another album in two months time, and that's all the time she had to make the kiss album. The only two songs came from the curiosity, album, which were Call Me Maybe and the song curiosity, although they redid it to be much more poppy than what it was on the EP.

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so then kiss came out and it was a major bestseller, a major hit for her, but she was never happy that she only had two months to put the damn thing together. so when it was done, she was like, okay, my next album, I'm taking my time. And she told her people that to their credit, they were like, she was a megastar.

00;18;07;06 - 00;18;35;14
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She like, take your time? Absolutely. We can't wait to see what you come up with that they might have regretted that, but, but they did give her the time. And now the first thing she actually did is she went off and did a lot of, she basically put together almost an entire album of songs that were in this much different vein, almost indie rock, in her own words, it was she wrote a lot of quote unquote weird music, and she was ready to put it all together.

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Unknown
But at the last minute, she basically decided, you know what? I think this was my rebellious phase, rebelling against what happened in Kiss, like rebelling against that sound entirely. And she's like, okay, I think I needed to get that out of my system. But I'm also not sure this is what I want to do either. But here's just to give people an example.

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I'm going to play a little clip of one of the songs from that abandoned indie rock album. This is from a song called 10,000 People. Well, you may have been framed with that song. You know all the words. You never stop. You never heard that person reaching out to you to grab them off your list of things to do.

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Here's one more song to see. If you push that one. You go outside and look to the sky. 10 billion stars can't find it. My city lives here. I was dreaming that this was my life. And 10,000 people falling in love tonight. So you can hear. It's not entire. It's still sounds, Carly. It's still got elements of some of her music, but she was pushing herself to go in a very different direction than especially the very smooth sounding pop that kiss was.

00;19;50;26 - 00;20;14;19
Unknown
but then she was like, okay, maybe, maybe that's not me either. And let's try, for something else. So then she started to look into other collaborators that she could pick rather than a collaborator, their collaborators that her label were pushing on her. And, one of the so one of the first people she reached out to was Dev Hynes, otherwise known as Blood Orange.

00;20;14;21 - 00;20;33;08
Unknown
And she was like, hey, she listened to A Losing You by Solange and saw that he was one of the producers on it, then started going through his discography, got really into him, wrote him and said, hey, I'm a really big fan of yours and want to collaborate, which was something that apparently Hynes had a lot of trouble believing.

00;20;33;08 - 00;20;57;13
Unknown
He's like, wait, call me maybe girl is a big fan of me. I'm not so sure about that. But she apparently won him over with, according to him, quote unquote, her work ethic, her vocal ability, and credited her with genuine intentions of developing a new esthetic versus just pursuing, quote unquote, Pitchfork approved artists for the sake of indie credibility.

00;20;57;15 - 00;21;06;10
Unknown
So he became one of her collaborators for this album. Also, Rostam, Marley's, who, just goes by Rostam.

00;21;06;10 - 00;21;21;00
Unknown
she collaborated with him on the song Warm Love, A Warm Blood, except it was supposed to be Warm Love, and he misheard lyrics as warm Blood. but then they loved the misheard lyric so much and thought it was perfect and actually fit the song really well.

00;21;21;02 - 00;21;43;08
Unknown
so they kind of ran with it, but she started to go in a really different direction. Now. Emotion was still an album that had the working title eternal Summer for the longest time. and that is because eternal Summer was one of the one song from her abandoned indie rock album that she did bring over to be a part of emotion.

00;21;43;14 - 00;22;06;29
Unknown
She had moved to LA during this time, and she liked the title eternal Summer because the album was meant to be all about being in L.A, which is quote unquote, an eternal summer in sunshine where time perspective is lost. but ultimately, she decided the sound of, eternal summer did not fit what emotion ultimately came to be.

00;22;07;03 - 00;22;40;23
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But let me play you a little clip of eternal Summer so we can hear what that sounds like. You. Me? I should need to cut my way. I. But you are pretty. One city, one. But, stability. And that means that we have an eternal summer, and it feels like we we have slept into a good slumber.

00;22;40;27 - 00;23;01;11
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So I'm going to focus. As you can hear, it would have been an okay fit on the album, but it was a little it wasn't quite the sound that the rest of the album really, or any of the sounds that the album really ran with, whether whether emotion or emotion. Side B, which is the, sort of, some of the tracks that didn't make the cut for the first album.

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Unknown
We're going to talk a little bit about that today as well, because it's all emotion. It's all part of this, particular album and its creation. So that's the background. let's talk now about, let's kind of go through track by track on this album and just sort of see what everyone has to say. But this album starts out with Runaway With Me, which fun fact I actually never listened to this album except for the deluxe edition.

00;23;28;16 - 00;23;54;02
Unknown
I didn't realize I'd only ever heard the deluxe edition, so I thought this album was 15 songs long. and my favorite song on this album is actually part of the the bonus tracks on the deluxe version, but the of me also. Okay. Yeah. And so I'm like, oh no, this. So when I was preparing for this podcast, it's the first time I ever realized this is only a 12 track album in as a, as the core album.

00;23;54;07 - 00;24;11;23
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And I was like, oh shit, what's my favorite song with those 12 songs? And it might be runaway with me. I think this might be my favorite song on the core album. If I have to leave the final three tracks off of the album as I know it. but this is, what do you guys think? I've run away with me.

00;24;11;23 - 00;24;50;25
Unknown
Run Away With Me seems to be the fan favorite song, and I think the, like, opening, saxophone tone, notes, have, like, been sampled on, like, a lot of TikToks for a while. it's a great song. It's not my favorite on the album like it is with a lot of people, but it does kind of capture, the trip you're about to go through for the next 12 or 15 songs and, I think sort of nails that, you know, what I was talking about early on as a kind of in this teen movie vibe, where the, the, the idea of like, a lot of teen genre films and

00;24;50;25 - 00;25;18;06
Unknown
a lot of romantic comedies, as always, being on the precipice of falling in love. Yeah. Nobody makes movies about people who are in relationships for a long time, because that would annoy everyone, you know? But but the idea of like, of possibility is at the center of Carly Rae Jepsen songs. yeah. And this whole idea of kind of like busting free, breaking loose with someone I always kind of imagine I don't like.

00;25;18;06 - 00;25;35;13
Unknown
I think the video they made for the song is kind of just like camera footage of Carly Rae Jepsen on vacation. That's kind of boring, right? but but I get this idea in my head of just kind of this couple, like, breaking away from some party and running down some pier at night. yeah, I don't know.

00;25;35;13 - 00;25;55;28
Unknown
I think it's a it's a it's a great opening to the album. There's a lot going on in the song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. It, it actually is, I think more than any of the other songs on the album, the best example of an anthem song, to your credit, to your, point, it is the song that would be playing at that moment, the break away moment.

00;25;56;01 - 00;26;15;19
Unknown
It is the anthem song. I think it was the anthem song of the summer. Even, you know, like I said, it was a massive sort of critical, hit. I don't know if it did crazy well on the charts, but, it was, you know, last year. Yeah, it was a lot. And I really that's one of the songs in the summer, for sure.

00;26;15;19 - 00;26;19;15
Unknown
And it is a, through and through an anthem song for sure.

00;26;19;15 - 00;26;32;06
Unknown
Yeah. I will say on this song, one of my favorite things is that there's one of the repeated lines, even though it's called runaway with me. The other big repeated line in the song could be called When the Lights Go Out. Right? And, the one in my head.

00;26;32;06 - 00;26;55;29
Unknown
I always love pairing completely disparate songs for some thematic or line or title or something that matches them. And Oingo Boingo has a when the lights go out song. It's literally called When the Lights Go Out. That is all about riots and violence and death in the streets when the lights go out. And I love that this is the complete antithesis of that, where it's like we're going off on a love, on a discovery of love and relationship and whirlwind romance.

00;26;55;29 - 00;27;12;00
Unknown
When the lights go out and you don't really double feature songs like you do with movies, but to me it's a double feature. Runaway with me and Oingo Boingo. When the lights go out. One is sort of the female version, where it's the whirlwind romance when the lights go out, and the other is the male version where it's like, yeah, we're all going to fucking kill each other.

00;27;12;07 - 00;27;43;16
Unknown
And that's what's going to happen when the lights go out. Take me to the of and I'll be, I'll be like the secret. When the lights go. When I'm on the way with me. Run away with me. With the virtual everybody else will let you down. And they're gonna want to let you out of that. But that is the name.

00;27;43;18 - 00;28;12;27
Unknown
I wanted that to happen, but it starts to be. It starts. And I'm like, I want to play those songs back to back. And they're both very thumping anthem, songs in their own way. So I highly recommend anyone, people in their tracks. It's one of the things that popped into my head this time around. I will say I that's not something I thought too much about before, but I was listening this past week to this album multiple times in a row.

00;28;12;29 - 00;28;21;28
Unknown
every time that line came up, I was like, oh, I want to play this and come and go bongos when the lights go out. Oh, man. Emotion. so what are you guys just take on emotion?

00;28;21;28 - 00;28;33;01
Unknown
I'm curious. What? Yeah, I mean, I guess we haven't really said that. You know, emotion is the album. Emotion is is a very kind of 80s throwback sound in a way.

00;28;33;03 - 00;28;52;28
Unknown
But a lot of artists I tried to do, like throughout the 20 tens, especially like, I think Taylor Swift's album, 1989 was like released in a year before or the same year as this. I'm like, it's that heavy synth undertone, like that real sort of synth specific kind of. And that trumpet thing that Phil Collins discovered in the 80s.

00;28;52;28 - 00;29;18;06
Unknown
Right? That In the Air Tonight drum sound. I forget the technical term for that, but whatever that is, it's all throughout this album and especially on these songs. Yeah, it's like that echoing drum noise. Yeah, yeah. and so the song emotion is, I think what's interesting about it is the way that she's presenting herself already on the album is, like she, she says in your fantasy dream about me.

00;29;18;06 - 00;29;18;23
Unknown
So it's like,

00;29;18;23 - 00;29;43;10
Unknown
as opposed to the way a lot of pop stars of the era, I think since Lady Gaga kind of came out in 2008 or so, the attitude and a lot of pop has been very identity driven, as in, I'm awesome, fuck you. Yeah, that always kind of bothered me. And I think Carly Rae Jepsen like, there's there's more, there's a positivity here, which is, hey, I'm your fantasy mermaid, come be with me.

00;29;43;12 - 00;29;55;11
Unknown
Right? That was like completely opposite. And that's kind of yes. You know, an interesting, angle on this stuff. and. Yeah. So, so yeah, I've always enjoyed the song emotion.

00;29;55;11 - 00;30;03;05
Unknown
It's interesting. So much fun. That has always been that the lyrics are almost like, she's asking. She's begging someone to be their fantasy. Like, let me be your fantasy.

00;30;03;05 - 00;30;26;22
Unknown
Kind of a thing. Like, let's go, let's go there, let's go all the way to. And what we can do with all this emotion, versus I just in your fantasy because that's that's the confident. I mean, I'm fucking amazing. And I think most of Carly Rae songs, there's that insecurity or there's that this could be amazing, but, you know, you gotta let it and you have to like me, you know, as me.

00;30;26;22 - 00;30;43;08
Unknown
And there's always that slight hesitation. We'll get to things like, your type, which is a song that, of course, is like, I'm not your type. You don't think, give me a second thought. And like, that's what that song's all about when we get there. So I think she has a lot of that, female shit going on.

00;30;43;11 - 00;31;06;22
Unknown
I think, I think this song is sort of, a continuation of the Call Me maybe, through line in that she is saying, okay, now you've taken my number. I could possibly be your fantasy if, you know what, if I turn the lights down? What if I do this? You know, I you're ready, willing and able.

00;31;06;23 - 00;31;23;07
Unknown
You know I don't wanna I don't want to push the the issue. But just in case it crosses your mind, here I am, you know. So. Yeah. yeah, I think it's it's definitely sort of the, the heir to the throne, so to speak, of a company maybe, and and thematically at least, thematic. Well, yeah.

00;31;23;08 - 00;31;44;26
Unknown
Continuation, I think is, I mean, I think they wanted it to be the big one, or Carly wanted it to be the big single. She called the album emotion because she thought this is one of the strongest songs on the album. but the what, the what the label wanted to be the big hit is the next song we're going to talk about I Really Like You or I really, really, really, really, really, really like you.

00;31;44;29 - 00;32;05;15
Unknown
depending on. Yeah. You got all the six. Really? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So. Yeah. What are your this this this feels like such a, like, you know, the studio was like, okay, great album, Carly. But we'd won like this. Can you please, like, we're going to hand you one more. That has to go on the album.

00;32;05;15 - 00;32;26;02
Unknown
And it's this one. Yeah. What do you guys think about this one? Fitting on this album? I think the song kind of goes, it's trying to be the new Call Me maybe in a way, in the way that it's sort of going for that earworm annoying ness that worked for that song. you know, they got the the video came out a couple months, before the album did.

00;32;26;02 - 00;32;51;02
Unknown
They got Tom Hanks in it. So yes, that's probably her biggest budget video. That said, I think the song is in line with the other songs on the album. I think it works as a it's also probably the most, although this album is very, you know, not sexually explicit in the way that artists, pop artists like Rihanna, we're kind of being a little more at the time.

00;32;51;05 - 00;33;12;07
Unknown
This is the only one that kind of suggests, you know, let me go up to your room, you know? right. Or you're sort of getting into that, like, sexual territory a little bit. Right? All right. Yeah. She was it's a continuation now in terms of the order of the songs, I think I Really Like You is the continuation of the emotion theme.

00;33;12;10 - 00;33;27;20
Unknown
Right. It's, I think I really like it cuz it's more a remake. It's more a redo because it's saying the exact same. It's like the exact same moment in time. Call Me Maybe was here's my number. Call me maybe. Of course I really like you, but I don't know if anything's going to happen of this. And I really like you.

00;33;27;20 - 00;33;49;26
Unknown
Feels a little more like redo of the same song to me. So I think it's a continuation of, emotion. Right. We've got, emotion being a continuation of, Call Me maybe. And I think I really like you is the moment which is continuation of emotion, saying, look, you have allowed me to turn the light off.

00;33;49;26 - 00;34;11;27
Unknown
You have, accepted that I could be your fantasy. what if we go up to the room together? I would like to show you that I really, really, really liked you. I think I think there's a, very specific order to these songs, because if, emotion is saying, you know, I could be your fantasy.

00;34;12;03 - 00;34;31;10
Unknown
If that's the thesis, you know, I could be your fantasy if you take this extra step, you know, I think I really like you is essentially saying, I really, really, really like you. And I'd like to show you in some way, shape or form. so I think it's a continuation of the moment. Yeah, I agree with that.

00;34;31;10 - 00;34;54;02
Unknown
I think that the first two songs are like, the runway with me and emotion are like saying like, hey, I'm here. Whereas the next two songs I Really Like You and Give Me Love are kind of more, you know, this is that that didn't work here. More actionable. Yes. It is kind of Carly put in herself and, the vulnerable position and all this stuff.

00;34;54;08 - 00;35;12;09
Unknown
Yeah, the album gets a little darker in some ways later, but that's kind of the through line in her work. It's that, you know, sort of, waffling on that line of, you know, like, you said, Mark, of putting herself in that vulnerable space. she's done that since the beginning, and it's kind of held through with each of these songs.

00;35;12;09 - 00;35;33;23
Unknown
And, particularly with I really like you. So. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I wonder if this is the reason, like, there's a lot of writing that's been done about why, Carly Rae Jepsen fan. Like, I don't know if you've ever seen her in concert, Dave, but, no, there's a lot of guys are there. so it's.

00;35;33;26 - 00;35;52;07
Unknown
It's like how people are, like, why are there, like, so many Mexican teenagers at Morrissey concerts? It's one of those weird things. Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah, it's just a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. and I think, like, I don't know that there's, there's something appealing about Carly Rae Jepsen personality to guys that come across in the song.

00;35;52;09 - 00;36;15;08
Unknown
It's not like, hey, stay away from me. That's like, you know, I could be your dream girl. Maybe, you know? Yeah, right. Right. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's interesting, I. Because if I had to say, like, what is it about her music and her lyricism and whatnot or, and personality, as you can determine, through her music, draws me to listen or and to be a fan.

00;36;15;10 - 00;36;40;10
Unknown
I don't know. I would have to give that some thought to really, like, put, put my finger on that because I don't know what that is. But I think you're definitely on to something. There is something from other types of younger pop stars like her, where I don't feel any sort of connection to the music or connection to how they talk about the themes that are the same themes the same, the same basic ideas that that comic racing's about.

00;36;40;10 - 00;37;01;25
Unknown
But she sings about them in a way that like, for whatever reason, I'm like, okay, this is this is interesting. Like this is, this is something I feel a little emotional about when I listen. I think it's I think it's her vulnerability. Honestly. I think it's her vulnerability. And she just allows you to kind of insert yourself and your own feelings of vulnerability into the song.

00;37;01;28 - 00;37;16;19
Unknown
And she gives it a chance to kind of breathe. And, you know, you add that to that kind of, eternal high school kind of texture. She has, you know, that thing for sure. I mean, going back to what you said about John Hughes movies,

00;37;16;19 - 00;37;20;08
Unknown
like, I don't I, I've thought about teen movies a lot in my life.

00;37;20;10 - 00;37;43;05
Unknown
I feel like the, the message of the best ones is always one of, of community, of, like, kind of moving beyond the self, like in The Breakfast Club, you know, it's all these, these five students who are completely in their own social worlds who, yeah, kind of come together at the end. And I think, you know, like with a lot of pop music is very

00;37;43;05 - 00;37;46;14
Unknown
I don't want to get myself in trouble by like naming any beloved stars.

00;37;46;14 - 00;38;05;05
Unknown
But a lot of pop music is very kind of narcissistic and, and it's sort of promotion of the self. Yeah. Where Carly Rae Jepsen is about like, you know, hey, let's get together and see what kind of world that would make, you know? Yeah, yeah. She leads with that vulnerability and most of those pop stars because of the industry they lead with.

00;38;05;08 - 00;38;17;01
Unknown
You know, I'm the superstar. I am the, the notion I'm the thing you should pay attention to. So yeah, definitely. I'm the firework. Yeah. Colors burst. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah.

00;38;17;01 - 00;38;41;14
Unknown
So what do we think about, Give Me Love, the next track, which I'm not sure I have anything that that's a track that I enjoy listening to, but for me personally, it slips away pretty quickly and feels, as we just mentioned, it's very similar to the theme of I Really Like You, where it feels like just doubling down on the same idea from coming at it from a different angle and a different soundscape.

00;38;41;16 - 00;38;42;12
Unknown
but very similar.

00;38;42;12 - 00;38;42;25
Unknown
Yeah.

00;38;42;25 - 00;39;03;14
Unknown
yeah. I wouldn't say it's one of my favorite songs on the album, but I did think the first time I heard it, it was one of the first ones to really grab me. I think, I think the, her vocal melody and the chorus is really good. especially like the Count, you know, because I want what I want in it, and I think that I want too much something like that.

00;39;03;14 - 00;39;25;18
Unknown
Like, I don't know, it just fits together really well, I think. I think she has a very innate good taste and and making pop sound good. and I do think, like, part of the reason she gets a lot of critical attention is that at heart, she is a music nerd, but just about a genre of music that is easily dismissed.

00;39;25;20 - 00;39;41;23
Unknown
Yeah. Right. Right. And I think this is now, I know this is sort of a great little sort of curation of songs. I have to say, it's almost two on the nose because, you know, essentially the line is, give me love, give me love, give me love, give me love, give me touch because I want what I want.

00;39;41;23 - 00;40;06;27
Unknown
Do you think I want too much? And now, in my estimation, we're in the room. We're in the room. And she's also. She's also very vulnerable in this space. I imagine things are sort of there's we move to petting or whatever it is. And she's unsure about how far she should go about if she's doing too much. It's again, that kind of leading with vulnerability and another sort of escalation in the the kind of narrative here.

00;40;06;27 - 00;40;34;25
Unknown
So, and, in terms of the, the sound itself, it is so far the most sensual song. Even the BPM has slowed down a bit and it becomes a bit more sort of, sultry. Sultry. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Do you guys think there's like a kind of R&B or like funk influence on this album? Oh, absolutely.

00;40;34;25 - 00;40;56;14
Unknown
I think a lot of that music, a lot of her music is influenced by her love of, I mean, and I don't, I don't know if anyone else is going to hear this, but I hear a lot of Prince influence and a lot I do on the next song especially. But yeah, go ahead sir. Yes, exactly. I hear a lot of Prince, influence.

00;40;56;14 - 00;41;13;00
Unknown
And to be fair, I think that was more blood Orange than her on on the next track. But we'll we'll get to that in just a minute here. Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe it's a combination, you know, maybe they discovered they both had mutual love for Prince and and you know, that's what came out of it. But right, I do I definitely hear that R&B kind of thing in there.

00;41;13;03 - 00;41;49;10
Unknown
Mark, as you were saying, it's but again, that's kind of what R&B is known for. It is a kind of sensual, a slightly more, sensual, bpm to, you know, say the least. But let's actually jump to all that, to talk about what Blood Orange brought to the table, because this is if you had told me, especially, I don't know, Dallas or Mark, if you've listened to much Blood Orange like his his own music, but him singing sometimes, if he had sung this song and someone told me it was a Prince track, I'd be like, sure.

00;41;49;12 - 00;42;09;19
Unknown
Yeah, probably I would have. I would have bought it, like, in a heartbeat. It would have been a very toned down prince because Blood Orange is much more mellow, which apparently Blood Orange wrote. He did a demo and, you know, played it for Carly. She loved it. She wrote the bridge and the lyrics, but he basically had written the the main part of the song and brought it to her.

00;42;09;21 - 00;42;19;18
Unknown
She thought it was amazing. So she plainly loved that sound. but I believe the sound came predominantly from him. Yeah. This, this song is,

00;42;19;18 - 00;42;36;10
Unknown
it's, so there's a subgenre of music, which it's not. This genre just became a thing after the fact. But Quiet Storm is how it's known. And in the 80s and 90s, and Prince was sort of one of the kings of this, this sort of subgenre.

00;42;36;13 - 00;43;04;22
Unknown
it is a very deep. Well, but it's the, on public radio in the 80s, they would have these hours after about, 10 or 11 where they would play love songs or mood songs, and they would have these deejays who had these sultry voices. if you've ever if you're familiar with a, DJ called Delilah, it she was very popular and, but her version of that was sort of adult contemporary.

00;43;04;25 - 00;43;37;21
Unknown
Quiet storm was, very funk, R&B, soul. It was sensual. and, you know, like I said, Prince's songs were always in that mix, and they were about love making and baby making and problem solving through sexuality, like, and this song is definitely that. She's, you know, again, it's another continuation of the song of the three lines before, and now, you know, we're doing things I imagined, what those things are, who knows?

00;43;37;21 - 00;43;43;06
Unknown
But I think in terms of the curation of the narrative here, the structure of the narrative, we've definitely escalated.

00;43;43;06 - 00;44;01;06
Unknown
and yeah, that's interesting. Like, I feel this. Yeah, it might be it might be the sexiest song on the album, but I do kind of hear this kind of wistful sort of sadness to it, too. Yes, absolutely. Like, the lyrics are, tell me that you want me, that I'm all that I will be.

00;44;01;06 - 00;44;19;27
Unknown
That I it's like it's a very similar to all of the songs that came right before it, where more volatility in the moment. It's still that bleeding. Yeah. Yeah yeah. There's also the like production wise there's a lot of like space in the song. It feels like it's recorded in like a high school gym at a dance or something.

00;44;19;27 - 00;44;23;18
Unknown
It's airy. Exactly. It's airy. Yeah, yeah yeah.

00;44;23;18 - 00;44;45;18
Unknown
All right. So then we jump right into, pretty much the first song that finally changes. It's, I think because like I said, I think all these five tracks are pleading and please come with me and worship me and dream of me and yada, yada. And then we hit boy problems, and boy problems is, I mean, it's it's just a good time of a song.

00;44;45;18 - 00;45;10;06
Unknown
I give it it also could get kind of like, I really like you. It has a certain annoying pop quality to it. it's so poppy and poppy. but at the same time, one thing I give the song credit for, from my end, is that it's one of the few songs I know of where it's someone who is basically recognizing how annoying she is in the song itself.

00;45;10;06 - 00;45;30;13
Unknown
Like, that is what the song is about, is how obnoxious she is with her boy problems and that she cannot stop. And she's like, I have boy problems. I know I'm terrible. I know you're a you're exhausted with me. I know I can't stop and I'm just like, okay, good. I so I, I really like the message of the song, especially for something called Boy Problems.

00;45;30;13 - 00;45;51;28
Unknown
It's all about how annoying you are having boy problems all the time. It's because Carly Rae Jepsen, like, only sings about love on her on on her. A later album, The Loneliest Time, she has a lyric where she says, I'm like Aphrodite, and it's all right to only know the things I know. So she knows. This is like her topic, you know?

00;45;51;28 - 00;46;12;28
Unknown
Right. the the song Boy Problems to me is like kind of an update on 1950s and 60s girl groups. I guess it's, Yeah. it has that, that kind of there's like a fun teenage quality to it. yeah. I think there's kind of like a strong,

00;46;12;28 - 00;46;16;22
Unknown
I don't know what you call it, sort of a funk element here, too.

00;46;16;24 - 00;46;18;10
Unknown
I also like that

00;46;18;10 - 00;46;39;09
Unknown
you she always sings the like, chorus line. Not as boy problems I've got. I've got him too, but I've got it. M2 and I don't know, it's just a weird affectation every time that line comes up that I enjoy. I think, in terms of the narrative again, she once again leads with vulnerability.

00;46;39;11 - 00;47;11;18
Unknown
She's like, I think I broke up with my boyfriend today. she's, you know, again, if we talk about the sort of continuation and escalation of this narrative structure she has with the lyrics and the themes, you know, we've had the moment, right? Whatever the moment is, we've had sex or whatever lovemaking, whatever it is. This seems like a fast forward a few weeks later and, you know, what was love in her mind was going to be a great relationship because she gave herself or whatever it is, has now turned into, a problem.

00;47;11;21 - 00;47;29;27
Unknown
he's not acting right. She doesn't know what to do. Things are just not where she expected them to be. And, it is sort of this kind of juggling of ideas. It's like, I don't know what this is now, I don't know, I don't know, right. All right. Making the most of the night

00;47;29;27 - 00;47;36;21
Unknown
and getting into the second half of this album now, so this basically opens side two and,

00;47;36;21 - 00;47;47;18
Unknown
you know, this one, I will say this actually has the catchiest phrase is the catchiest, vamp, whatever you want to call it.

00;47;47;18 - 00;48;06;19
Unknown
Of all the songs on this album, for whatever reason, I never think it is when I listen to it, but it's the one that when I listen to the album for the next 2 to 3 days straight, it's the thing that I have to exorcize out of my head somehow, and that is that. I know you had a rough time, but here I come to hijack you, hijack you, I love you, I'm making the most of.

00;48;06;20 - 00;48;26;25
Unknown
And I just like, that little. It's a banger, you know, over and over again. It's a banger. It's not. I don't ever think that highly of the song, per se. I mean, which, don't get me wrong, I love this album, so I think highly of all of the songs, but in terms of comparative, how much I stacked them against each other, this one I always forget about and I always forget is on the album.

00;48;26;25 - 00;48;47;24
Unknown
Sometimes when it pops back into my head is that earworm? I can't remember where it's from. I can't remember which song or which album. so this one takes me by surprise every time, but I will say it is earworm AF and I do enjoy it. yeah, yeah. Any any other contributions to that one or are we all on the same page?

00;48;47;24 - 00;49;12;02
Unknown
I mean, I, I agree with you. I also sometimes forget about the song, but I do always enjoy it. I like, it's weird that she, she uses like, war imagery, like hijack. She a later song called kamikaze. Yeah. yes. And I don't know, just kind of taking, love on those terms that, you know, I would almost, I think if a guy was singing that it would verge on sexual assault, but, yes.

00;49;12;04 - 00;49;30;11
Unknown
Yes, it works for her. Yeah. Let's see. I think she's actually talking to herself. this is a self-affirmation. she's saying I'm coming to hijack you out of this funk. She says I like you. What's the line? I love you while you're making the most. I'm making the most of the night. Yes, yes, yes. It's clearly what she never says.

00;49;30;11 - 00;49;47;18
Unknown
We exactly. She says we once. It's all her exact. So there is that. And I will say that I think, run away with me is the couple version of that. And maybe making the most of the night is just to her, you know, you alone go, go get out there and do that. And this album she was she moved to LA.

00;49;47;18 - 00;50;09;08
Unknown
She lived with a guy while she was making this album for two years, and in the suburbs where she kind of wanted to get away from it all after the kiss craziness for a little while, but then a lot of these songs on the album, she later said, was about like she was ready to get back out there, like she needed to get away out of the suburbs, back into the cities, back into the nightlife.

00;50;09;08 - 00;50;18;14
Unknown
That's what she really wanted. so a lot of these songs reflect that urge to, like, get back out there and be young and wild and crazy. Yeah.

00;50;18;14 - 00;50;25;02
Unknown
I mean, it's also interesting that, like, the the person she seems to be singing to on a couple of these songs is like,

00;50;25;02 - 00;50;41;18
Unknown
you know, not some sort of Adonis boy idol, but kind of feels like this withdrawn intellectual person who's like, just kind of, you know, and that's sort of an interesting angle on this stuff to that, which may be a reason why why certain men are drawn to.

00;50;41;21 - 00;50;59;06
Unknown
I think that has a lot to do with it. Yeah. I guess. Well, yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. There's the guy who's had a rough time and in a hijack. Yeah. I can see themselves as the idol of the, pretense of. Yeah. Well, you know, and on the on the thing about the hijack you and how it could, you know, from a guy would come across as violent.

00;50;59;09 - 00;51;03;09
Unknown
I do think that even going back to,

00;51;03;09 - 00;51;27;27
Unknown
Do I do you think that I want too much in the way she questions, like all of her extremes, all of her desires, all of her obsessions. And I think that's a very common thing. And probably part of the thing. Why hijack and using this almost in like the her song kamikaze, where it's almost violent language, where it's like these are very powerful, extreme emotions that you always question to yourself, are you weird to be feeling at this extreme?

00;51;27;27 - 00;51;49;05
Unknown
Are you weird to be this obsessed about it? Are you weird to be this? in need of these things? or is this truly universal? Because even if it's universal up to a point, are you still taking it too far again and again and again? And that's why I think that's always yeah, the something she questions. I mean, it's the emotions that, you know, we're living in a civilization we're not supposed to dwell on too much.

00;51;49;05 - 00;52;01;05
Unknown
I mean, the album's called emotional. The other kind of key line and Run Away With me is Take Me to the feeling, which is kind of like setting the stage of what this journey we're about to go on is going to be like, you know? Yeah. Yes.

00;52;01;05 - 00;52;14;21
Unknown
All right. Your type, this is a song that the one thing I do love about the song, it's one that I actually every time I see it on the track list, I can never remember how it sounds until I start to play it within five seconds of a plane.

00;52;14;21 - 00;52;35;24
Unknown
I'm like, oh, yes, this one. Now I can sing the whole thing. but when I just see your type, I'm like, I don't know what that is. but the one thing I do love and always remember about this song, the moment it starts playing is I do love the going back to that conversational thing. Like, she kind of doesn't call me maybe where she does that thing where she, she's like, I love you.

00;52;35;24 - 00;52;56;00
Unknown
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I love, like, the repetition. Like, that's exactly how you would just stutter it out if you were saying this to someone in person, you know, it's like it would be. And I love that she does it as lyrics where this there's this awkward ass repetition that it doesn't. It works in the song, but like, you wouldn't think it would work that well as lyrics.

00;52;56;00 - 00;53;07;18
Unknown
The way she's letting it all just fumble out of her mouth and, you know, trying to, express this frustration that she has in this moment. So I really appreciate that part of this song.

00;53;07;18 - 00;53;20;11
Unknown
your your type is my favorite song on the album. It's, it's I feel like it is. Carly Rae Jepsen put in herself at her most vulnerable, singing about being in the friend zone.

00;53;20;13 - 00;53;22;00
Unknown
the chorus melody

00;53;22;00 - 00;53;45;00
Unknown
is, like, unparalleled on this album, I feel, and it's weird to say I didn't. I wasn't sure how to explain this, but I think it's the most Canadian sounding song on the album. Along with sort of making the most of the night and also the bonus track. I didn't just Come Here to Dance, and I think what it is, is sort of the bass sound, and it is very, Corey Hart's sunglasses at night, you know?

00;53;45;00 - 00;54;05;29
Unknown
Oh yeah. Great song. Yeah, yeah. yeah. All right. And it's also like, Carly Jepsen, like, positioning herself as the girl next door who is only seen as a friend. And you listen to the album and you're like, what are you talking about? You're fucking Carly Rae Jepsen. But like, but but that's always like kind of the interesting aspects.

00;54;05;29 - 00;54;06;07
Unknown
Just.

00;54;06;07 - 00;54;25;00
Unknown
Well, and everyone's just a friend to someone, right? It doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter how big you are. You're going to have a crush on someone that for whatever reason, they're like, I mean, you're even if they're not nearly as big and famous as you are, they can still just be like, yeah, but I'm not romantically interested in like, you know, that that is one of the hardest things.

00;54;25;00 - 00;54;46;24
Unknown
Yeah, it can happen. Yeah. And so to just kind of sidetrack on that a little bit, I think one of the interesting things about her as a celebrity is that she has no kind of real public image outside of her music. Like when I hear people talk about Taylor Swift and Kanye, most of the time they're not even talking about the music.

00;54;46;24 - 00;55;05;09
Unknown
They're just kind of talking about right them as the product. And currently, Jepsen has no herself to sell us the product. So either you like the songs or you don't. That's what she's given you, and I always find that kind of an interesting aspect. Also, she's also has a very yeah, she has a very drama free life to the public.

00;55;05;16 - 00;55;35;18
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But since she's like 29, I think when she made this album and it, it's like, there's sort of some different perspective. Even though she's singing often from a teen perspective and it's like a wise and one, you know. Yeah, yeah. All right, let's get lost. This feels, very similar to the Run Away With me feels in terms of theme and like what it's saying, but it's like once again, it's like, come on, let's just go do it.

00;55;35;18 - 00;55;52;10
Unknown
Like, don't don't overthink it. Don't. Yeah. just let just let this be what it's meant to be. but yeah, this is another one, I think. Kind of like making the most of the night and give me love where it's like, I really enjoy it as a song, but it is like just another well-made song with this.

00;55;52;10 - 00;55;57;19
Unknown
Another very like it's the theme of the album and it's hitting it once again.

00;55;57;19 - 00;56;11;14
Unknown
Oh that's true. I think the song is great in concert for some reason, but I'm the first few times I heard the album, this was the point where I was just like, I just feel like I have by now consumed too much sugar and I need to pick up.

00;56;11;16 - 00;56;38;16
Unknown
Yeah, right. Because I do feel this is like, when a lot of kind of indie music fans try to understand Carly Rae Jepsen, they get confused because there's no it's not like avant garde or anything. It's not supposed to be. It's pop music. But I do feel this is like an album of extremes in a way. It's like pushing that euphoric sound, almost to its limit.

00;56;38;18 - 00;56;47;29
Unknown
Or at least it was in 2015. And and that's kind of what the song was like. I got to take a break for a while. Yeah. Which isn't right. I don't think it's too bad. Warm,

00;56;47;29 - 00;56;53;25
Unknown
warm blood could have been right there and that would have been your break. But it's a little further down the line. So you got a you got to make your own break.

00;56;53;25 - 00;57;18;17
Unknown
But yeah, she is euphoric is a good like everything is most of her songs are under this lens of happiness and upbeat ness and optimism. Even when when you listen to the lyrics most of them are not that optimistic. they're very or they're optimistic, but in a again, pleading, desperate way. So like, you get this undertow of

00;57;18;17 - 00;57;22;28
Unknown
it's optimistic, but not because you actually believe it's going to happen.

00;57;23;00 - 00;57;29;25
Unknown
All that uncertainty is still there, which maybe is what does make it a little more mature, even though it feels very

00;57;29;25 - 00;57;48;18
Unknown
indie. is that element of like the answers are never simple, and you question yourself as much as the other person, and there's all these underlying elements to it that is a little more, you know, has a little more mature POV, even though it's singing about it in this very straight up boppy, euphoric way.

00;57;48;18 - 00;58;08;29
Unknown
Yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah. Would cosign all of that. Yeah okay. La hallucinations a little different. not quite the break to the body, but it is a, this one definitely has a vibe that is different from the other songs on this album. Not quite to the extent of Warm Blooded, which we're going to get to right after this one.

00;58;08;29 - 00;58;28;00
Unknown
But la hallucinations, at least. It's almost like a half step towards warm blood. There's something a little off about the song, like that's the whole point. LA hallucinations is like, we're a little. We're like, we just did, let's get lost now. It's like we're a little lost. Like we're a little like we don't have our bearings anymore in this place.

00;58;28;00 - 00;58;32;18
Unknown
And it's a little crazy. I think we're having a good time, but it's a little crazy.

00;58;32;18 - 00;58;41;23
Unknown
Yeah. yeah. That's interesting. The song is, I feel kind of making fun of a lot of the attitudes that

00;58;41;23 - 00;58;58;13
Unknown
other pop songs and celebrities seem to celebrate, which is just kind of the emptiness of the Hollywood and kind of, the celebrity lifestyle or like the, the, the best line in the song to me is, the the teeth come out when the camera flashes.

00;58;58;13 - 00;59;23;23
Unknown
What's just talking about the smiles? But there's something kind of like sinister about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. yeah, it's kind of like the, you know, Lorde and and Royals, right? Which is all about the, you know, the song that rejects that, that, branding of the lifestyle where it's like, this is this isn't this isn't really what it's all about, or it shouldn't be.

00;59;23;23 - 00;59;41;08
Unknown
And I'm not even sure it's what it's it's truly all about, even for other artists. But it's what we have to, you know, kind of front and say that it's all about and that this is what we're getting out of this lifestyle. And LA, it's similar in that way. yeah. Anything anything on your end. Does the discomfort of celebrity.

00;59;41;08 - 01;00;04;11
Unknown
Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. No I think it's her. It's her sort of, ubiquitous. The rather sort of ubiquitous, ubiquitous, pop star lamenting the, sort of finery that comes along with, making it like, she's just saying. I remember when we got here and we were naked, we didn't give a damn about anything. We would sing a song anywhere.

01;00;04;11 - 01;00;18;27
Unknown
And now it's all about, you know, the handing out cards and doing all the stuff and, Right. Yeah, it's it's, it's, it's it's I think it's almost required for a pop star to write a version of this song at some point. Yeah, yeah.

01;00;18;27 - 01;00;27;12
Unknown
All right, warm blood, probably. Outside of all that, the other track is like its own thing.

01;00;27;15 - 01;00;35;06
Unknown
but a welcome reprieve from, as Mark put it, the euphoria of all the others. and this one is,

01;00;35;06 - 01;00;52;22
Unknown
at least my take on the lyrics is that she's fine. She's in a bit of a warm place where she's feeling loved and secure, and yet it sounds eerie, and it sounds, it's. Yeah, there's a there's a lot of elements that work beautifully as a song.

01;00;52;24 - 01;01;14;14
Unknown
I know that in the second half of the song, she does this thing where she sings the chorus in this very hushed, kind of quiet voice, and apparently she she prerecorded that one day just because her vocals were shot and she couldn't sing. And she's like, fine, I'll just record this as a placeholder and I'll come back and rerecord it later, you know?

01;01;14;14 - 01;01;33;01
Unknown
But let's just get it down so we can. That's where we know where it's going in the track. And then they listen to it and they're like, ooh, that's perfect. Don't rerecord that. Just keep it as is. but there's a lot of like, like this weird kind of, almost ominous ness. with the track, what are you what are your guys stick?

01;01;33;01 - 01;01;48;24
Unknown
Yeah, I agree with that. I think there's something else kind of vampire ish about it for some reason. Yeah. and it's also, what were we saying was the other kind of sexy song here? Was it all that? Oh, I think that's one. Yeah, yeah, I think this one, it's kind of neck and neck with that one.

01;01;48;24 - 01;02;02;15
Unknown
and it's a cool sound. It's different than everything else on the album. Yeah, yeah, it, sonically, it definitely has sort of, there was a film in the a series of films called vamp.

01;02;02;15 - 01;02;12;09
Unknown
Yeah. Vamp. I think Grace Jones starred in one of them there. Yeah, yeah. Grace Jones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just just one. No, no, there's, there was no sequel.

01;02;12;10 - 01;02;28;26
Unknown
Oh, I think they're like, there's at least more than one. They got to be more than one. I don't think so. Hold on. All right. Which is out right. I don't know if a lot of those. It is vampire. That was a Fright night two for sure. Oh so fright night. You. But, you know, vamp vamp was, a one off.

01;02;28;26 - 01;02;50;04
Unknown
It didn't know. Yeah, yeah. Became a cult classic later, but it it I don't believe it was much of a moneymaker or hit or anything at the time of its release, there should have been a bunch of Grace Jones vampire movies either way. Oh, you're right, I totally thought there was more to one. Maybe I just I just watched the hell out of that.

01;02;50;06 - 01;02;55;26
Unknown
Yeah, I think I think you did. I think I just watched the hell out of that one. oh. Wow. Anyway,

01;02;55;26 - 01;03;09;21
Unknown
but there's some, there's some music, some of the soundtrack in that film. it feels like this. It's got that synthy kind of, heartbeat BPM. It's it's aligned with the BPM of the of, heart that sort of,

01;03;09;21 - 01;03;14;12
Unknown
about to start racing, which is sort of synonymous with sex and also fear.

01;03;14;14 - 01;03;24;15
Unknown
and this song by Carly Rae Jepsen, also does the same thing. You can kind of hear the, the, the BPM kind of raising the heartbeat and keeping it consistent. yeah.

01;03;24;15 - 01;03;28;02
Unknown
yeah, yeah. And this was a song that she did. Yeah,

01;03;28;02 - 01;03;34;28
Unknown
yeah. Oh, she did it with Rostam. so this this is the one that, he and she did together, and, it was from vampire again.

01;03;34;28 - 01;03;55;04
Unknown
Part of the reason. Yes. And so part of the. These are the two. So both the blood orange guy and Rostam, these are the two guys where, I think good reason to sound those two songs. Sounds so different from the rest of the album. Is there was that other artist with their own signature sound that kind of came in and, you know, they they jointly made it together.

01;03;55;04 - 01;04;07;17
Unknown
So the sound really goes places that, Carly generally doesn't go on her own. but, All right. So moving on to the official final track of the album, when I Need You.

01;04;07;17 - 01;04;18;17
Unknown
Anybody? Anybody? okay. So, like you, I kind of, I think it was the Japanese version, which was 15 tracks, which was the one that I heard most.

01;04;18;17 - 01;04;25;28
Unknown
So, I'd always heard Favorite Color is the last song, and, Yep. When I needed you and when I needed you, it's kind of her

01;04;25;28 - 01;04;42;04
Unknown
declaration of independence. but it has kind of. It's like still an upbeat song and has like, kind of positivity to it. I just, I've always kind of felt like the real end to the album should be Favorite Color, because that's a song

01;04;42;04 - 01;04;47;09
Unknown
about unity, about, what happens, you know, that the Americans.

01;04;47;09 - 01;05;09;23
Unknown
Yeah. we merge into my favorite color, which is. Yeah, a strange thing to say. There's almost this idea of, like, racial unity to it even, right. And, yeah. So, so I would have ended the album there, but I think what I need to do is still like, kind of, an up to be way to end, maybe just not what I would have preferred as the final.

01;05;09;23 - 01;05;25;19
Unknown
Yeah, it's a fun. It's a decent ending. I agree with you there. It weirding me out to have to consider it as the ending of the album, because I just never had before. but when I really tried to think about it, I was like, you know, okay, it is. Out of all the songs on this album, it's a decent ending, but I'm with you.

01;05;25;19 - 01;05;54;22
Unknown
The next three songs I still think are absolutely critical to this being a full, complete album. Dallas, your thoughts on this one? When I need to do anything to add? it's a it's a fine sort of punctuation, I think, yeah. That's it. Okay, so we won't go too much into detail on the next three, but I will say, the next three that me and Mark had always heard as part of the main album are Blackheart.

01;05;54;29 - 01;06;15;03
Unknown
I didn't just come here to Dance and Favorite Color. Blackheart is my favorite song on the whole album. If we get to include all three of these, I love Blackheart. It was my favorite the first time I heard it, and nothing, even all these listens later, nothing is unseated. It, which is rare for me. Usually that evolves a little bit over time.

01;06;15;05 - 01;06;45;17
Unknown
but Blackheart, that sounds the most, of all of the songs on this album, I think I feel the 80s like almost like a walk, like an Egyptian. Kind of like like a eerie version of walk like an Egyptian. Like a slightly slowed down and turned a little to the dark side version of that vamp and beat, of that song turned into this thing where again, I think this one is kind of questioning the dark side of obsession and love, and which I really appreciated as well, I think.

01;06;45;17 - 01;07;02;21
Unknown
yeah, very few of these songs really go as far as Blackheart and just it calling itself Blackheart. so that that has been my favorite, your guys's thoughts on that one? It almost feels like she's calling out someone for not being into her in the song. Like, the person's, like, consciousness. Still,

01;07;02;21 - 01;07;06;12
Unknown
or like she still exists somewhere in his Blackheart that he's not recognizing.

01;07;06;15 - 01;07;29;03
Unknown
And, yeah, I like the song. I think it has some of her most evocative lyrics in it, especially the line, you're a cry to your generation, but don't you cry to me. Like I was like in. So it's cool. It actually feels like she's talking to an older man, like in her youth or something. Like he just didn't recognize her very sort of poetic genius or something.

01;07;29;03 - 01;07;53;12
Unknown
And now that, you know, 20 years later, she's an icon and she's, you know, that's that's what I get from this song. Sonically, it is definitely, sort of, and an 80s reverential tune, for sure. It feels like the most, you know, you were saying, Mark, about that kind of, there's a diva quality that Beyoncé has that Rihanna has that, Lady Gaga has.

01;07;53;12 - 01;08;13;18
Unknown
It's a stand and deliver the song. Look at me. I'm telling you why you're wrong. Kind of thing. And I think this is the song that comes closest to that kind of, sort of thing. for her at least. So, Yeah. Yeah, it's fun too, I think so. I think I always took it too, because of the lyric under the blossom tree.

01;08;13;21 - 01;08;35;21
Unknown
come a little closer. Won't you come a little closer to me? Under the blossom tree. That's where you'll find. And then in your black heart is where you'll find me waiting I just wonder under the tree. Always seems like you know a sexual encounter, right? Like that's always what it's kind of evokes. And almost makes me feel like this might have been something of a one night stand or a couple night stand, but, like, they're not getting he's not getting any closer.

01;08;35;26 - 01;08;52;04
Unknown
That's why he has the black heart. And so this is almost like her coming to terms of like, yeah, he slept with me and that's all I'm getting. You know, even though there might have been intimations or promises of more, I doubt has always been one of my takes of the song. But the lyrics are not super crystal clear.

01;08;52;06 - 01;09;02;05
Unknown
They're evocative, but they're open to interpretation. Yeah, I kind of read this as being about some guy who thinks he's too cool to sleep at work, that she's like, I give her that, I don't know. Yeah.

01;09;02;05 - 01;09;15;11
Unknown
So it's still the pining of, like, please give it to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. so I didn't just come here to dance, as Mark said, a very Canadian sounding anthem again, but it really and it's it is a danceable one.

01;09;15;11 - 01;09;32;15
Unknown
It is the one where you're just like, I didn't just come here to dance, but oh, yeah, I want you to this song, you know, I, I do love that about it. but otherwise, you know, and obviously I didn't just come here to dance, if you know what I mean is the lyric and it is a, you know, a turn of phrase for what she's actually.

01;09;32;15 - 01;09;39;28
Unknown
And once again, the pining, like, let's, you know, should her get off the pot, let's do this. What's it like or go away, like, what are we doing here? Kind of a thing.

01;09;39;28 - 01;09;48;19
Unknown
But it's almost like currently at her most upfront and least chaste, you know? And I feel that, I think what makes the song good is, is actually the

01;09;48;19 - 01;09;55;11
Unknown
just the kind of obvious ness of the chorus, like just how it repeats that, if you know what I mean.

01;09;55;11 - 01;10;03;07
Unknown
Do you know what I mean? It's like it's about like something that, you know, you know the song after hearing the chorus twice, you know? Yes. Yeah.

01;10;03;07 - 01;10;13;10
Unknown
Awesome. And favorite color. This would be my second favorite song on the album if we could include these three as the main album, and then I wouldn't even go, then I wouldn't go to the main album until my third favorite.

01;10;13;10 - 01;10;38;11
Unknown
But favorite color? It's it's got this. It's a perfect ending, both thematically and sound wise. It's like this explosion of colors in the sound, you know, emotion. She's wearing that very rainbow colored 80s looking jacket on the sleeves and whatnot on the cover of the album. And so this, this whole album has had this very, like colors as soundscape, like all throughout.

01;10;38;11 - 01;10;54;04
Unknown
is one way that I like to describe this, this album and what it's trying to do. And then favorite color is like that, perfect. Like bring it all together, bring it all into one. Nice. Not even overlong, but just I mean, I wish it honestly, I wish it was longer. I love the sound of the song so much.

01;10;54;07 - 01;11;07;12
Unknown
but it's just this nice little explosion coming together of all the sounds on this album into one big last hurrah, I think she does the most vocal, she does the most vocal stacking in terms of the actual,

01;11;07;12 - 01;11;11;10
Unknown
the track in this song, and it's so it gives this sort of

01;11;11;10 - 01;11;11;25
Unknown
deep

01;11;11;25 - 01;11;22;21
Unknown
lux, this sort of luxurious ness kind of to the track, which is so vibey and moody and, and satisfying.

01;11;22;24 - 01;11;45;28
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. Yeah. There's like, there's a lot of layers to the sound here. And then this song is like the best, expression of, of her sound on this album. That's like, I don't know, it's kind of, it's everything like that. I kind of want from pop music like this. just it's so kind of up front in its optimism and.

01;11;45;28 - 01;12;10;26
Unknown
Yeah. yeah, I think that's a great song. And with that, Mark, where can people find you online? let us know anything you have going on, please. Oh, okay. I'm on Twitter. Just my name. Mark Palermo is one word. I'm also on Instagram. I had to change my Instagram handle because I got hacked once.

01;12;10;26 - 01;12;41;18
Unknown
I think it's the true Mark Palermo, a, And you can listen to my podcast. with that I do with Serena Whitney movies and chaos. Wherever I find podcasts are found. Very nice, very nice. You thank you guys so much for having me. This is of course, of course. And thanks for doing this. I have been sort of daydream about chatting a Carly Rae Jepsen album with you on Something Like this, and I was like, I have to have the right show.

01;12;41;18 - 01;12;59;27
Unknown
And we finally created it. And I'm like, you, Carly Rae, let's do this. And I love that. At first you were you were very cool. And you're like, well, let me see if I want to talk about anything else. And I'm like, damn it, Mark, this is the daydream. You can come back a second time. Don't worry, there will be another opportunity, I promise.

01;13;00;02 - 01;13;05;16
Unknown
all right. Thanks for the talk about emotion. Whatever it is. but. Yeah, let's do this again. Here we go. And.

01;13;05;16 - 01;13;18;12
Unknown
Well, and I already know there's another guy, a NASA, Dallas. You know him from, the comic that we covered, theories not too long ago. He wants to do the kiss album because he is like, well, everything but kiss.

01;13;18;12 - 01;13;33;21
Unknown
And he was like, no, no, I'm going, I'm going to tell you why kiss is worthwhile, and I'm going to I'm going to convince you about that. Oh, so you might share this with him. Okay. There we go. All right. Anyway, everybody, thank you so much for listening to wine. And we'll be back next week with another wine.

01;13;33;21 - 01;13;55;22
Unknown
And oh, we didn't tour the wine. You didn't hear the wine. What are you doing? What are you doing? Oh. Oh. Holy shit. That's the premise of the show. Yeah. I was like, where the hell is he going? Where are you going? All right, all right. So sorry and. Okay. All right, so now let's do this. Mark, so generally with pairings, I,

01;13;55;22 - 01;14;01;03
Unknown
you know, with it when we, when we start the comic book stuff, I, I my rubric is it's the wine or the spirit.

01;14;01;03 - 01;14;15;20
Unknown
I would drink as a character in the world, who is passively just sort of leaning against a wall where all the meanwhile, all the mayhem is happening. and, I kind of take the same route to, Sonic to, album and music pairings as well.

01;14;15;20 - 01;14;22;00
Unknown
you know, I like the idea of being in the studio, just listening as the creation's kind of happening.

01;14;22;02 - 01;14;44;01
Unknown
And, a couple of the notes that I sort of that sort of stick out in my mind for this album. It definitely has the bubblegum pop thing. Right. It has great, expertly kind of refined bubblegum, bubblegum pop because it harkens back to the 80s bubblegum pop as well. So not just sort of contemporary bubblegum pop, but 80s bubblegum pop as well.

01;14;44;01 - 01;15;18;01
Unknown
Even though what she's doing is definitely a bit more adult. I think, oh, to her age and her experience, it seems like with this album, she was kind of retroactively writing the album she wished she could have had when she was 19 or 20 years old. Yeah. and, you know, because of that, I wanted to find a wine that probably had some bubblegum kind of, undertone or notes and generally that you're going to think of the gourmets or the bullies.

01;15;18;04 - 01;15;42;06
Unknown
you will often find a bubblegum kind of notes in those. And the Beaujolais, you'll also find some banana. And what's crazy about the Beaujolais is that banana doesn't feel like organic banana. It the note is almost artificial banana. It's sort of nerds banana. It's Kool-Aid. But yeah, it's it's right. You know, it's, electric and,

01;15;42;06 - 01;15;46;22
Unknown
you know, both of us being being reds, they have their other issues because of the tannins.

01;15;46;22 - 01;15;58;14
Unknown
That's a gourmet. so it just didn't kind of. It didn't sit too perfectly in terms of, complementing this. So I then thought,

01;15;58;14 - 01;16;14;28
Unknown
well, maybe I need to expand the definition of what, the pairing is. And I do that from time to time. I take a looser definition of what wine is. And, this time I remember having a spirit which was made up near the Canadian border.

01;16;15;01 - 01;16;46;08
Unknown
There's a vineyard called, there's a refiner, called 1857, and they make a small batch, of this particular, spirit. And one of the dominant notes is, depending on your palate, at least, is, bubblegum. but it is aged in, charred American oak. it is soft and smooth. You get some nutmeg, it gets a butter pecan.

01;16;46;08 - 01;17;16;27
Unknown
You get just all sorts of things of orange peel. but I get bubble gum. And it's really acute in this particular spirit. So, and it is also unconventional. And I think, again, I'm, I'm, I'm going to go on record and say this. I'm not a huge Carly Rae Jepsen fan. as a matter of fact, when they've initially sent me a couple of songs to listen to, I, I immediately hit no.

01;17;16;29 - 01;17;43;14
Unknown
And but it was I just kept sending them and it did. I was like, kind of. Okay, it's all right. There must be something here I can, kind of attached to, like, will satisfy my sort of, academic musical ear. Anyway, and he was right. She does do this thing where there's this weird juxtaposition and there's this vulnerability, but there's also this kind of expertly executed genre thing on top of it.

01;17;43;14 - 01;18;15;20
Unknown
And so I went with this 1857 is the name of the company. It is a barrel aged estate potato vodka that has. Yeah, that hard American oak. Hard wild. Yeah. Okay. Talk about extremes. Talk about extremes. Exactly. And, it is, it's I like I said, I get a great bubble gummy kind of thing. But you also, it's a little confusing on the palate because it feels very whiskey adjacent.

01;18;15;23 - 01;18;24;25
Unknown
But then you're like, no, this is gin, this is vodka. It just. But it comes together so seamlessly that it it's it's it's truly its own thing. so yeah, that's what pairing.

01;18;24;25 - 01;18;44;00
Unknown
Oh, that's a lot of research. That's good. So yeah, for me, I did not want to go all the way. Bubble gummy or Poppy or candy on this one because, you know, I think that would be when, whenever we do do the kiss album, of Carly's whenever, whenever we do talk to someone about that.

01;18;44;07 - 01;19;04;05
Unknown
Yeah. That's going to have to get some bubble gum. I have to I'm gonna have to find something that's a little more sweet on that. But here I wanted the adult, POV version of that bubble gum. I wanted something where it's like, right, this is something that if you eyeballed it, you'd be like that. That is all pure pop sweetness.

01;19;04;10 - 01;19;33;08
Unknown
And then you taste it and it's anything but. or at least it's translated with these very adult tart and bitter flavors that come with it. Because this album is, at its core, as upbeat and poppy as it is, it's about a lot of tart and bitter things and themes and experiences, and it's about, you know, the pining for the love and even, you know, realizing or fearing it's going to leave when you have it.

01;19;33;08 - 01;19;56;08
Unknown
dealing with the breakup, when it's not going to work out, so much whether it's, emotion side A, emotion side B, all of that is in play there where it's very but at the same time, this effervescence and this bubbly ness is pervades both albums, no matter which one. So I had to go for bubbly rosé.

01;19;56;11 - 01;20;21;18
Unknown
I had to go for a proper. This is a on re Champlain from Mont de Burgundian rosé. Tremont is the proper champagne method champagne method of making the grapes aren't from champagne, so you can't call it champagne. but it's from it. Is that people? Right. Begonia is the proper. That is the actual name of the place.

01;20;21;18 - 01;20;44;15
Unknown
Burgundy is a bullshit made up word that they made for English speakers. There's no place on Earth actually called Burgundy. it is actually called Begonia. so this is a begonia rose bubbly champagne method. Rosé, 75% Pinot noir. So it's got the power of the Pinot noir. There's a there's a lot more flavor, a lot more strength in champagne.

01;20;44;15 - 01;21;09;23
Unknown
Bubbly that is made from Pinot Noir versus Chardonnay than it has 15%. I'm sorry. Yeah. 15%. Chardonnay, which gives it that little bit of precision and gentleness. And then 10% Gamay. and Gamay is one of those grapes that Dallas was saying has a bubblegum flavor. so the Gamay comes in and adds just a little bit of softness and touch, ever so touch of sweetness on the palate.

01;21;09;23 - 01;21;13;11
Unknown
Right? But this is a perfectly dry yeast,

01;21;13;11 - 01;21;34;12
Unknown
champagne style bubbly. So you get all the effervescence, you get all the bubbly ness of it, but then you get grapefruit and hibiscus and those bready, yeasty notes. It's all adult flavors through and through, with the fun of the effervescence and the color. But this is like a very adult, bubbly rosé.

01;21;34;12 - 01;21;57;21
Unknown
And I felt like this matches the kind of of music you're getting on. emotion with Carly Rae. Go, go for a sweet rosé if you're or maybe a California bubbly rosé with a lot of watermelon and strawberry and shit like that. if you're listening to kiss, but if you're into emotion, you need you need to grow up and go get yourself some dry begonia.

01;21;57;26 - 01;22;17;06
Unknown
Bubbly rosé. That's my period, right? All right. Make me want to drink wine. I didn't know I had to do this. but I was thinking it, so you have to pair it with any beverage. but. But what would you drink? Well, well. Watching emotion. What do you want, honey? Because as Dallas was talking, I was thinking that it was a rosé.

01;22;17;06 - 01;22;41;09
Unknown
And now I look like I'm copying you. But, my feeling I'm kind of a sonic, beverage. combination of this album is you're you're slightly more than buzzed at a party. That's the vibe of this album. Yeah. you know what it is? It's, you can only get this in Canada. It's the crush brand. Cream soda.

01;22;41;10 - 01;23;02;22
Unknown
Cream soda? Yeah. Just red. Yeah. Well, spike, that's my version. Yes. I know you're beautiful. That's a good one for ice cream soda. All right. It's satisfying. And, before we go, Mark, we'd like to do this whole thing with the comic books. At least we would ask you to bring a, to sort of picture or tell us about something you're reading or something you want other people to read.

01;23;02;25 - 01;23;29;26
Unknown
What are you listening to or something you recommend people listen to? What's oh, wow. Okay. what am I listening to right now? I mean, this is going to. It's not like that. Interesting of an answer. Well, my favorite band of all time is Funkadelic, and I felt like, last, last month, I was listening to too much

01;23;29;26 - 01;23;45;01
Unknown
because my friend went to a concert and I said, listen to a bunch of camfed, and I and I'm kind of embarrassed to admit I really like, but but the the the the vibe it was putting me in was too politically angry.

01;23;45;08 - 01;24;07;00
Unknown
Oh, yeah. And, just the other day, I was, I was looking for a close it close out song for the next episode of my podcast, which comes out tomorrow. I started listening to a bunch of George Clinton stuff again, I just watched, I just read a George Clinton, autobiography. I've got it right. Oh my God. Fascinating, dude.

01;24;07;00 - 01;24;28;12
Unknown
Fascinating. Yeah, absolutely. That's a great book. Have you have you seen them live? Yeah. This one. No. Oh, look. Yeah. That's it. Oh yeah. Yeah. So good. So I went to go see when I was my first year of university, it was like Halloween night, 1997. I was going to school in Toronto. and I was 18 years old, and this was a 19 plus concert.

01;24;28;16 - 01;24;41;29
Unknown
I had some friends going to my friends in university. We're all a year older than me because they have grade 13 in Ontario. Okay. and I was like, well, what am I going to do? And I remember we got to this club and there's the doorman said,

01;24;41;29 - 01;24;45;23
Unknown
nobody gets in without ID, I like, I don't even know how to get back to school.

01;24;45;23 - 01;25;04;27
Unknown
So, I mean, they better let me in. And I just remember, like, saying to him, I have absolutely no idea on me, man. And you just looked at me like one of those weird, like, teenage goatees was like, all right, you're fine. Go in and then and, Parliament-Funkadelic played for three hours straight. that's weird to say, but that concert changed my life.

01;25;04;27 - 01;25;26;06
Unknown
And only because, it just put me in touch with something in myself. The first music I liked was, like, soundtrack music in the 80s. Like The Goonies soundtrack? Yeah, it was Ronald Reagan. Yeah, yeah, but a lot of it was like this kind of R&B stuff. And then and that, that, like, was like, oh, this is like music I really like.

01;25;26;06 - 01;25;38;27
Unknown
I just kind of didn't know I was supposed to, you know. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So that was, that was and the feeling that you get at, a P-Funk show is really one of, just incredible.

01;25;38;27 - 01;25;51;11
Unknown
It's people of all ages there. Yes. There's this feeling of like, everyone is invited into this party, you know? Yeah. And it's like a really positive thing that I don't think a lot of other bands have that.

01;25;51;18 - 01;26;16;28
Unknown
The mothership, baby. Yeah, the mothership connection. Sweet. All right. Cool stuff. All right. For reals? For reals this time. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks so much. Yeah, that was good. Thanks, bud. It's nice meeting you all to listen well. Yes, yes. And for all the listeners out there, thank you for listening to wine. And we will be back next week with another wine and entertainment pairing for your entertainment.

01;26;17;00 - 01;26;24;27
Unknown
Ciao for now. Later, people.

01;26;25;00 - 01;26;37;07
Unknown
The.

01;26;37;10 - 01;26;43;15
Unknown
Benefit. Of.

01;26;43;18 - 01;26;51;02
Unknown
Us.